Would someone's extreme political views prevent you being in a band with them, or working with them?

[Wombat]

Bringing their own type of honey!

Edited 1 hour ago by Wombat
Typo

[tauzero]

5 hours ago, knirirr said:

When I wrote that I was paraphrasing something someone said to me at a recent jam: "I was at so-and-so's gig during the week and he made another of his unfunny woke jokes [eyeroll]". I should perhaps have quoted the phrase, as you have done. 
What I heard was an announcement between tunes which was something like (from memory): "There's this bloke I know who says he's a woman now! What's anyone supposed to do about that sort of thing, then, eh? What am I even supposed to call him? Him? Her? It?" 

I got the impression this was supposed to be amusing, but didn't find it so.

 

I wouldn't describe it as woke either, the exact opposite in fact. I'm totally woke and I use the appropriate pronouns (ie the ones they want used) for my trans friends, relatives, and bandmates (of which I have at least one of each).

[tauzero]

4 hours ago, Misdee said:

This is exactly the kind of self-righteous indignation I'm talking about. So now the benchmark of racism is non-adherence to the doctrine of the Guardian newspaper..

 

It's not within your gift to decide on my behalf what is and what isn't racist. I'll make my own mind up, thank you very much. I'm perfectly capable of doing so. And if I did enjoy the company of people who didn't fulfil your expectations of what's acceptable, it really wouldnt be any of your business. Moreover, you do me a great disservice in implying that by associating with people who have whatever opinions that I would be endorsing those views or be susceptible to them.

 

You were the one who had a dig at Guardian readers while ignoring the unpleasantness of Daily Mail readers.

 

I did not imply that you endorsed the opinions of others at all. Still, if you want to imagine that I did, go ahead. I shall give your further contributions the attention that they deserve.

[tauzero]

2 hours ago, prowla said:

...and your terms "average" and "reasonable" are weighted by your own definitions.

So, my point is that far from being definitive, the term in question is very subjective and is not defined in law.

An example of the subjectiveness is this university's definition (https://www.lboro.ac.uk/internal/online-reporting/looking-for-information/racism/), which states that racism can only be performed by a "dominant" group against a "minoritized" (sic) group - that's not what the Equality Act says (I think!).

 

That's obviously true. After all, who could possibly say that the apartheid regime in South Africa was racist?

[ghostwheel]

4 hours ago, EssexBuccaneer said:

Which is why it’s important that racism is defined officially and legislatively and not left to individuals to arbitrate for themselves. 

I wonder what would Mr Orwell have said about it, had he still been alive. 

[tegs07]

So it all boils down to the daily mail vs the guardian, corbyn vs reform. 

 

the polarisation defined and the clock ticks.

 

I hope i can escape before the main event because the challenges are enormous and those available to tackle them are woefully unprepared and living in different realities. they are setting up stalls and courting an electorate motivated by differing ideologies that have nothing in common apart from neither of them have anything to do with the crisis at hand.

 

probably best to put the thread to bed as it’s circling an inevitable drain. bit like the uk financial system.

Edited 20 minutes ago by tegs07

[fretmeister]

15 minutes ago, ghostwheel said:

I wonder what would Mr Orwell have said about it, had he still been alive. 

 

I think his opinion would be based on whether the definition and indeed those who were defining it had the intent to protect downtrodden groups or protect those doing the treading.

[prowla]

2 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

 

I think his opinion would be based on whether the definition and indeed those who were defining it had the intent to protect downtrodden groups or protect those doing the treading.

And whether they had two or four legs.

[Wombat]

Aye, it’s all baaaarking!

[knirirr]

41 minutes ago, tauzero said:

 

I wouldn't describe it as woke either, the exact opposite in fact. 

 

Indeed; the "woke jokes" in this case, as far as I can tell, remarks about the woke things this chap doesn't like rather than jokes that are woke. 

[PaulWarning]

would I be in a band with someone who voted Reform? yes, would I be in a band with someone who voted for Corbyn? yes.

Do I think that people with a penis should use ladies toilets? no, do I think people who are born male should be able to compete against people who were born female in sport? no.

But could I be in a band with someone who thinks they should, yes.

Edited 7 minutes ago by PaulWarning

[Stub Mandrel]

I want to be friends with my band mates, and that means mutual respect. One of my bandmates is quite young and of mixed east-Asian heritage. He's not afraid to call out racism and do a bloody good job of it.

 

Did have one odd situation... someone who was very performatively 'politically correct' - wouldn't do 'Hey Joe' as it's 'misogynistic'. Irony being that they were the sort of person who gave off a sort off creepy vibe at odds with their professed stance... they didn't last.

 

I am considering getting a 'Stop the Scrotes' t-shirt. I'll let you decide who I think the scrotes are...