The most awful bass video I think I have ever seen

[jmanfunk]

I understand, as far as Western conceptions allow, what he was going for but poor execution is poor excution regardless of cultural heritage.

This kind of world fusion is much more up my street; metal and traditional Japaneese instrumentation together at last.


[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI[/url]

Edited November 1, 2008 by jmanfunk

[Dmanlamius]

All it needs is Yolo Ono's vocals over the top, and it would be perfect...

[LukeFRC]

i thought it was alright. reminded me of playing shogun total war and moving hundreds of wee men about a field.
however i have no idea how much i just drank

[Soulfinger]

If you think that was awful (I wasn´t thrilled either), check out this guy:

[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ddiyd46Q"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ddiyd46Q[/url]

At least he´s not playing a Fodera...


[quote name='jmanfunk' post='319423' date='Nov 1 2008, 01:29 AM']This kind of world fusion is much more up my street; metal and traditional Japaneese instrumentation together at last.

[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI[/url][/quote]
That was rather cool indeed.

[Hamster]

[quote name='Soulfinger' post='319452' date='Nov 1 2008, 05:44 AM']If you think that was awful (I wasn´t thrilled either), check out this guy:

[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ddiyd46Q"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ddiyd46Q[/url]

At least he´s not playing a Fodera...[/quote]

Now I'm no expert, but wasn't he either:

1. Playing the right notes in the wrong order, or
2. Playing the wrong notes in the right order?

[NJE]

[quote name='jmanfunk' post='319423' date='Nov 1 2008, 12:29 AM']I understand, as far as Western conceptions allow, what he was going for but poor execution is poor excution regardless of cultural heritage.

This kind of world fusion is much more up my street; metal and traditional Japaneese instrumentation together at last.


[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI[/url][/quote]


Interesting to see everyones views, but not a patch on these guys INHO, I loved the playing in this thread, well spotted, loved it!

[Prosebass]

[quote name='jmanfunk' post='319423' date='Nov 1 2008, 12:29 AM']I understand, as far as Western conceptions allow, what he was going for but poor execution is poor excution regardless of cultural heritage.

This kind of world fusion is much more up my street; metal and traditional Japaneese instrumentation together at last.


[url="http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI"]http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RERXiliJfdI[/url][/quote]

Its amazing what you can do with a Breville and a broom handle !!!!

Not to my taste as I can only stand the din for about a minute. The synth pads sound very 1980's ?

[wotnwhy]

just for the record, i have no problems with him doing his thing on an expensive, high-end, highly coveted instrument.

if botique basses were reserved for people with the talent to play them to their potential, then i think a huge amount of current owners would have to give up their basses, me included!

[Dmanlamius]

I'm just a sucker for a melody...

[stu_g]

he wants to trade that baby in for a one string fiddle!

[birdy]

Who are we to say whats good and bad? At least the guy seemed genuinely into it and was getting something out of it which is what we all do it for right?

Wasn't my cup of tea at all but then neither is thrash metal or whatever its called nowadays but fair play to anyone getting up and having a go I say.

Steve

[Beedster]

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='319351' date='Oct 31 2008, 09:09 PM']+1 on the transferrence of technique from Shamizen playing.

I spotted this vid last week while hunting for gospel players on youtube. I wouldn't be inclined to criticise it from a Western perspective any more than I'd be inclined to criticise any other world music. Or at least if I was going to criticise it then I'd at least take the time to discover what the point of the music was. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that style of playing is about the space created between the notes and the textural effects created rather than the notes themselves.

Still not to my personal taste but I've heard a LOT worse from Western avant garde players.[/quote]

+1

Infinitely preferable to yet another Youtube twat masturbating via the medium of slap. Over the years I've been handed a couple of humbling lessons by eastern practitioners of disciplines about which I believed that, as a 'westerner', I possessed some form absolute measure as to what constitutes good or bad. I have western friends - some good musicians - who do not understand or appreciate slap style bass. Their response is one not of value judgement (i.e., good or bad), simply of non-comprehension, they don't know where to begin in deciding whether or not it's a skilled musical performance. This sort of thing is very much a culture-specific
Oh, and another thing.... There's some implication above that the real iussue here is that the musician in question is playing an expensive instrument and that by not doing so in conventional manner or with sufficient 'skill', he is somehow mis-using it? I suspect that if we all had to play instruments that truly represented our skill I would still be aspiring to my first Encore whilst very few of us would own anything above a Squire
It's raining outside and I'm a bit bored so excuse the above
Chris

[Telebass]

[quote name='Beedster' post='319662' date='Nov 1 2008, 03:35 PM']+1

Infinitely preferable to yet another Youtube twat masturbating via the medium of slap. Over the years I've been handed a couple of humbling lessons by eastern practitioners of disciplines about which I believed that, as a 'westerner', I possessed some form absolute measure as to what constitutes good or bad. I have western friends - some good musicians - who do not understand or appreciate slap style bass. Their response is one not of value judgement (i.e., good or bad), simply of non-comprehension, they don't know where to begin in deciding whether or not it's a skilled musical performance. This sort of thing is very much a culture-specific
Oh, and another thing.... There's some implication above that the real iussue here is that the musician in question is playing an expensive instrument and that by not doing so in conventional manner or with sufficient 'skill', he is somehow mis-using it? I suspect that if we all had to play instruments that truly represented our skill I would still be aspiring to my first Encore whilst very few of us would own anything above a Squire
It's raining outside and I'm a bit bored so excuse the above
Chris[/quote]
Yes, you've got a good point there, right enough...

[lonestar]

Very catchy. I shall be humming it all week. In fact I might suggest that we use it at the next wedding gig.

To be fair the man sums it up quite well in his comment:
"There is no necessity that you have the concern. Because it is a Japanese mind".


fair enough then?

[Waldo]

Suprise suprise, another thread moaning about people on youtube

[agoulding]

[quote name='Shockwave' post='319359' date='Oct 31 2008, 09:24 PM']I actually quite like it. Very good cover of a traditional song.

This further exemplifies that a bass can be used for many things.[/quote]


good point. I also use mine as a cheese board.

[BigBeefChief]

Oh come on. Let's all stop trying to sound so right-on and cultured. It sounds f***ing sh*t.

[lonestar]

[quote name='BigBeefChief' post='319704' date='Nov 1 2008, 05:34 PM']Oh come on. Let's all stop trying to sound so right-on and cultured. It sounds f***ing sh*t.[/quote]

Well said

[Thunderthumbs]

1:56-2:08 reminds me of some wedding or the like where you're back in the dressing room, and can hear some clueless drunk thrashing away on your bass.

[markytbass]

He's trying, but Jazz just isn't my cup of tea

[OutToPlayJazz]

Interesting. Obviously very Japanese harmonically so us Westerners probably won't get it, but it seemed very well controlled & well paced. Very different. As Beedster said earlier, it's nice to see rather than yet another badly played slap fest

[Guest]

[quote name='lonestar' post='319727' date='Nov 1 2008, 06:05 PM']Well said[/quote]

That was my reaction on first listen,



However on second listen it was REALLY "f*****g sh*t!"

Seriously though i liked what he was trying to do, it was certainly no worse that a thousand slap crap posts on you tube, and at least he was trying to paint an original picture rather than paint by numbers slap 'n' pop.

[The Funk]

I wanted to like it and the moodier bits set the scene for something good - but the good stuff never came and instead there was a lot of actual rubbish. I may be both a Westerner and an Easterner, but I didn't enjoy it from either perspective.

I also get the feeling he's conning his pseudo-intellectual audience who would love to hear something like that composed and performed well - but who'll settle for any attempt at it.

EDIT: For the record, I've seen far, far worse bass videos out there. But as far as I'm concerned this was still rubbish though.

Edited November 2, 2008 by The Funk

[BassMunkee]

Actually I thought it was rather good.
You guys who are critiscing [sp] it are I think missing the point and being a little western-biased in your comments.
Thre's a lot more to Japanese playing than the notes themselves.
So what if it's an expensive bass - at least he's using it and using it for something - to our eyes - different and adventurous.

Fair play I say.

Edited November 2, 2008 by BassMunkee