The-Ox Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just an idea that came into my head - for those of you who are having a hard time selling a bass, why not start a raffle? eg. bass is up for £1,000 sell 50 tickets for £20 each that way you get yer cash, and someone gets a great bass for only £20 there would be difficulties with trusting the owner, and how it would be monitored, and even if people want to stmp up £20 for a 1/50 chance of winning etc. but I'm sure someone respected on here could do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've seen this done with cars. Not sure it would adhere to forum rules but worth a try in a private context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I think you'd need a licence [url="http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/Getting-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence.aspx"]http://www.gamblingc...-a-licence.aspx[/url] EDIT: Several by the looks of it. Edited January 6, 2016 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The-Ox Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1452121002' post='2946813'] I think you'd need a licence [url="http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/Getting-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence.aspx"]http://www.gamblingc...-a-licence.aspx[/url] EDIT: Several by the looks of it. [/quote] ahhh completely forgot about those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ox Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1452121080' post='2946817'] [/quote] you expecting me to produce a £1,000 bass for sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='The-Ox' timestamp='1452121980' post='2946840'] you expecting me to produce a £1,000 bass for sale? [/quote] Isn't that what this is leading up to? Why would you bother otherwise?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 What if you don't manage to sell many tickets? You could end up having to let the bass go for a lot less than you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 'ahpook' I think you'd need a licence [url="http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/Getting-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence.aspx"]http://www.gamblingc...-a-licence.aspx[/url] EDIT: Several by the looks of it. MB1. Ahpook is right Licences required Not a new idea has been mentioned previously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ox Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1452122029' post='2946842'] Isn't that what this is leading up to? Why would you bother otherwise?? [/quote] I suggested it more of an idea to help other people struggling to sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ox Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1452122278' post='2946846'] What if you don't manage to sell many tickets? You could end up having to let the bass go for a lot less than you want to. [/quote] Suppose you could register demand first until you then decide to raffle? Tbh i just saw this done with a charity the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Actually i'm looking at the regulations on these wouldn't bass chat come under a small society ... [i]im bored its lunchtime :-P [/i] 3. Meaning of society and local authority lotteries Society lotteries 3.1 Society lotteries are lotteries promoted for the benefit of a non-commercial society. Such societies are organisations that have distinct aims and objectives and meet the definition of a non- commercial society set out in the Act. 3.2 A society is non-commercial if it is established and conducted for charitable purposes, for the purpose of enabling participation in, or of supporting, sport, athleticsor a cultural activity for any other non-commercial purpose other than that of private gain. This seems to require registration but no fee's for that registration unless the lotteries .[list] [*]may in a single society lottery exceed £20,000, [*]or the proceeds of previous lotteries in the same calendar year have already reached or may, taking into account the lottery in question reach £250,000 in one calendar year. [/list] The other caveat is the cost of registering for basschat because its a " REMOTE organisation" looks to be around [b]£40[/b] and at least [b]20%[/b] of the proceeds must go to the organisation in every lottery So .... lets say a £1000 bass would be 50 tickets @ £20 800 pounds of the proceeds would go to the owner of the bass and 200 to bass chat to make it legal. I [b]VERY[/b] much doubt one of the organisers at basschat wants to go to the hassle of registering for a remote operators licence and manage these kind of sales ... and that too many people would be happy losing a 20% cut of the sale proceeds to basschat every time one of these went up ,people would want it rolled into the costs of ticket sale. I'd say this is a non starter and anyone doing it on facebook / other unregistered Charity is actually breaking the law unless they are registering with the gambling commission :-P Source here . http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/pdf/Promoting-society-and-local-authority-lotteries.pdf Edited January 7, 2016 by synthaside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ox Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yep definitely a no go, i just thought it was a creative solution but of course there are a tonne of regulations around it haha. Good thing I'm selling my bass that must not be named in a couple of hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colgraff Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 On a related note: There was a trend for this sort of thing a few years back. People would have a fancy car as a prize and have some simple looking game of chance to win it, e.g. roll 6 sixes and win the car. Prices were set at 50p. The chance of winning is 1/46,656, so strict probability dictates that your car should cost no more than £23,000. As there is a 10% chance of someone winning after 'only' ~4,500 goes, then the organiser takes out insurance against anyone winning the car because, in all likelihood no one will win it at all. Still quite low income for relatively complex process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) The Gaming Commission has zero sense of humour - I know, I used to deal with them in a previous life. Just sayin'........... Edited January 7, 2016 by taunton-hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wonder how many raffles are run up and down the country without having a gaming licence? Quite a few i'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ox Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 [quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1452201875' post='2947642'] The Gaming Commission has zero sense of humour - I know, I used to deal with them in a previous life. Just sayin'........... [/quote] not always fun and games then eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 [quote name='Number6' timestamp='1452202551' post='2947657'] I wonder how many raffles are run up and down the country without having a gaming licence? Quite a few i'd imagine. [/quote] It's the unregulated meat bingo that scares me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Raffle off a bass? You can often find the truss rod just needs a bit of tightening.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattspacebass Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What about visigoths bass or some quality basses from the luthiers luthier no one can mention they'd be great basses for someone to win, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 [quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1452121002' post='2946813'] I think you'd need a licence [url="http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/Getting-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence/Do-I-need-a-licence.aspx"]http://www.gamblingc...-a-licence.aspx[/url] EDIT: Several by the looks of it. [/quote] Or just do what they do on TV - ask a stupidly easy question to make it technically a game of skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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