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I was listening to the radio in the kitchen yesterday when a session by Richard Dawson came on. It was rough as hell but in a way that I liked. I thought it was very much in the vein of guys like Kevin Coyne, that sort of slightly manic intensity and unashamedly abrasive performance. He's not someone I'd come across before, but I thought it was great, turned up the radio and didn't leave the room until it was finished.
Later that evening, I got into a conversation on Facebook with a local musician I'm acquainted with who hated it so much he thought it was some sort of disgrace that the BBC gave Dawson radio time. He seemed to think that he could objectively declare that it was of no worth and that there were no valid reasons for liking it. He had the idea that it was an emperors new clothes phenomenon that people only pretended to enjoy because it was hyped in the NME, but I just turned the radio on having no context for who I was listening to and got into it. He was particularly bothered about the tuning, but for me that's part of the character.
So I'm kind of curious to see if anyone thinks my friend has a point. The song that was playing when I turned the radio on starts just before 1h 17m into the show here;
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0523cnx#auto"]http://www.bbc.co.uk...s/b0523cnx#auto[/url]

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[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1423743301' post='2688451']
I didn't like it at all, and would have switched station if I was listening, however, I'm all for the BBC playing tracks of this nature and feel your friend is very wrong (although entitled to his opinion) and that the track is very valid musically.
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Not liking it is something I can totally understand, and I often find myself flicking between stations when that happens. I think the thing that bothered me is his suggestion that a publicly-funded broadcaster shouldn't be playing anything that's a bit "out". To my mind they should absolutely be playing this stuff, as commercial stations are unlikely to. It's the John Peel approach of flinging it all out there and seeing what sticks, which is a style of broadcasting I approve of.

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I bet your acquaintance used to hate Peely's show then. As has been said, he's perfectly entitled to his opinion, but with all due respect he's talking absolute bollocks.

(FWIW, I just had a quick listen to the Dawson and hated every second. Not my cuppa char at all.)

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[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1423746403' post='2688513']
Not liking it is something I can totally understand, and I often find myself flicking between stations when that happens. I think the thing that bothered me is his suggestion that a publicly-funded broadcaster shouldn't be playing anything that's a bit "out". To my mind they should absolutely be playing this stuff, as commercial stations are unlikely to. It's the John Peel approach of flinging it all out there and seeing what sticks, which is a style of broadcasting I approve of.
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Total agreement from me!

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I heard that session and was blown away. They've played [i]The Vile Stuff[/i] on 6 Music before, and I was struck by it then, but now I'm consumed by it. I ordered the CD immediately, it arrived today, and I'm listening now. He's playing nearby next week.

I'm reminded of [i]Pony Express Record[/i] by Shudder To Think.

Love it.

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[quote name='Mr H' timestamp='1423858218' post='2689880']
I heard that session and was blown away. They've played [i]The Vile Stuff[/i] on 6 Music before, and I was struck by it then, but now I'm consumed by it. I ordered the CD immediately, it arrived today, and I'm listening now. He's playing nearby next week.

I'm reminded of [i]Pony Express Record[/i] by Shudder To Think.

Love it.
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Ah good, glad it's just not me! The annoying thing for me is that now I've looked up Mr Dawson and have seen what he looks like, I realise that I played at the same festival as him back in September, saw him setting up and didn't stick around to hear the set.
Searching around for some older performances, I really liked this song too and it has a tenderness about it which is perhaps not on display in [i]The Vile Stuff[/i].
[url="http://youtu.be/s-9osMKSyb0"]http://youtu.be/s-9osMKSyb0[/url]

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Still listening here, but the love-him-or-hate-him nature of the performance is underlined by my inability to find anybody to use my second ticket on Wednesday night!

Ho hum.

His cover of Roy Orbison's [i]I Drove All Night[/i] is something to hear, 12 minutes into the live set from the Cube Microplex in 2013 on youtube.

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  • 3 months later...

Richard Dawson performs [i]The Vile Stuff[/i] on Marc Riley's iPlayer music show [i]All Shook Up[/i], just released.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02srs4j/all-shook-up-the-wytches-jesca-hoop-richard-dawson

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Not having seen this thread before, I looked up the track 'The Vile Stuff' on youtube. Hmmm.... I definitely think it's going to be an acquired taste. However, as the 11 minute something track continued, I can see some musicality in there, but it's well hidden in the ... arrangement, performance, and production. If I had stopped the track early on, then I wouldn't have seen any value in it at all. And I would prefer a much more sophisticated remake :)

Returning to the main topic of this thread, I do think that the BBC should be giving an opportunity for people to hear things that are significantly left field. And it's likely that most people will hate it. To do otherwise is to discourage musicians even further from taking risks and doing something that is different.

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1433840568' post='2794362']
Returning to the main topic of this thread, I do think that the [b]BBC[/b] should be giving an opportunity for people to hear things that are significantly [b]left[/b] field.
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[i]Dear Sir,[/i]

[i]Your correspondent’s suggestion that the BBC should lurch even further to the left is typical of the sort of namby-pamby politically correct elite this country is now riddled with. Why, only the other day Binky and I were discussing this very subject and we both came to the conclusion that the best thing to do with the communist BB so-called C would be to have them all shot, and start again using decent hard-working [s]conservative voters[/s] families as their staff introducing decent hard-working values and an end to the politically correct namby-pamby nonsense the B so-called BC is now riddled with. It is a disgrace that in this day and age I can no longer shoot trespassers, and old ladies are mugged in their own cupboards and our borders are left open to literally billions of unwashed layabouts from Paraguay and other european so-called countries and the BBC namby-pamby elite stands by and does nothing to stop them. There is only one language these people understand and that is a damned good thrashing. I had one every couple of hours at prep school and it made me what I am today.[/i]

[i]Yours angrily[/i]

[i]Col.(ret’d) Courtenay Bigguns-Lately, DSO NBG KFC and bar[/i]
[i]Surrey[/i]

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[quote name='BobVbass' timestamp='1433845560' post='2794431']
not my cup of tea and the tuning makes my teeth grate but I think its great the BBC still experiment with new music
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Indeed, the tuning is kind of out there. I have a fairly good ear for pitch, but I find that "out" sounding stuff when done with the right attitude can be just another flavour to use and somehow I'm not bothered by it. This, for example, causes me to break out in a massive grin:
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSVvnA7X4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSVvnA7X4[/url]

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[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05xc8fc/later-with-jools-holland-series-46-episode-7"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05xc8fc/later-with-jools-holland-series-46-episode-7[/url]
Scroll to 54 minutes

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[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1433864626' post='2794669']
Some interesting thoughts on the role of BBC Radio here: [url="http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jun/09/radio-1-apple-attack-nick-grimshaw-zane-lowe-spotify"]http://www.theguardi...ne-lowe-spotify[/url]
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Very interesting - the fridge analogy is a particularly good one, I feel. And that's not a sentence I thought I'd be typing today...

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[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1433858325' post='2794597']
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05xc8fc/later-with-jools-holland-series-46-episode-7"]http://www.bbc.co.uk...es-46-episode-7[/url]
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Sounded OK to me! I've seen Richard Dawson [i]and[/i] Sleater-Kinney this year, both excellent.

Anyone who has only seen RD in that new [i]All Shook Up[/i] clip won't be aware of what a humble and hilarious man he is, as well as being an awesome singer/songwriter and musician. I'm going to see him again in September. I'm a bit partisan, really.

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[quote name='Mr H' timestamp='1433872809' post='2794767']
Anyone who has only seen RD in that new [i]All Shook Up[/i] clip won't be aware of what a humble and hilarious man he is, as well as being an awesome singer/songwriter and musician. I'm going to see him again in September. I'm a bit partisan, really.
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I saw him a couple of weeks ago when he came to Edinburgh. The thing I hadn't quite expected is quite how funny he is when performing - between songs he comes across like rambling non-sequitur standup. He really doesn't seem to distinguish between serious and absurd at all, as they often both happen at the same time.

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