Black Coffee Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) I was browsing today and discussing this with some mates. At risk of treading where many have maybe been before. Could anybody explain to me in detail (or not) why a person would spend an extra £1,000 + for 2025 bass instead of a 1025 From any further than six feet it's gonna look much the same is it not....to all but those who know But what is the £1,000 price tag difference for ? Forgive my ignorance if it's obvious. Edited April 1, 2014 by bassman344 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubrad Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The only way to find out is to play one.. if you can really feel the difference, you'll know it's worth the extra money. If you can't feel it, you'll be just as happy with the 1025 without having spent a load more. What's the difference between a Squier and a CS Fender? etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Same reasons people buy most luxury items - they appreciate their finer qualities and can afford to pay for them. Apart from the voodoo heat/humidity and vibration treatments, it would have the very best quality wood selected (it has mahogany instead of nato in the neck stripes too), will have more attention to detail on the fit and finish, and better fretwork. The body is also a bit more sculpted on the 20 series - look at the reflection on the forearm contour for example: I have the 1025X and feel it was a big step up from the BB415. I would be very tempted if a 2025X came up for a good price! Edited April 1, 2014 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I have a 2024MX and it is the best Precision I've owned or played by some distance. Feel, playability, build quality and tone are all outstanding. It's very very good at what it does, and is both a quantitative and a qualitative step up from even the best Fender Custom Shop models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Coffee Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 Thanks for the info Hadn't noticed the contour difference before. It's quite a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) I don't know what it is about BB's that makes them so appealing. I used to think they were butt ugly but now I can't get enough of looking at them especially vintage models. I think it must be the unassuming but unmistakable looks and the simplicity of them. Edited April 1, 2014 by Greggo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 one is made in indnonesia and the other japan I think? Why would someone spend an extra £3500 on a Pino CS precision when a normal Squier precision is more or less the same? I've got a japanese BB, didn't actually mean to buy it... but the quality of it makes me realise that Beedster is really really daft to sell his BB2024mx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1396388533' post='2413133'] one is made in indnonesia and the other japan I think? Why would someone spend an extra £3500 on a Pino CS precision when a normal Squier precision is more or less the same? I've got a japanese BB, didn't actually mean to buy it... but the quality of it makes me realise that Beedster is really really daft to sell his BB2024mx [/quote] It's not going anywhere yet Luke! Seriously, I'm waiting to sound out two new gigs before I decide. I'm living between West Wales and Kent at present and for ease of rehearsing need an EUB in both and, if truth be told, an electric bass in neither. However, there's a few things on the horizon that might allow me to justify keeping the 2024. I sincerely hope I can for all the reasons above and elsewhere on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yes, I did forget to mention that the 20 series is hand built in Japan by Yamaha's top luthiers, all the lower series are built on a production line in Indonesia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKULP01 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I plan on placing an order soon for one of these beasts, thanks to Dannybuoy and Sean for giving me serious GAS! Thomann expect new stock mid April, much cheaper than ordering in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 [quote name='EKULP01' timestamp='1396436387' post='2413500'] I plan on placing an order soon for one of these beasts, thanks to Dannybuoy and Sean for giving me serious GAS! Thomann expect new stock mid April, much cheaper than ordering in the UK. [/quote] Give me a shout if you're serious, I'm really torn about it but at present I really do need a second EUB more than I need a 2024 no matter how lovely, and according to Mrs Beedster, money for bass gear doesn't grow on trees (unlike money for shoes which apparently does). Check out the listing in the FS forum Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKULP01 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Thanks Chris, but I'm looking at the 1025x model that Dannybuoy has. If I had the money id def go for the 2025x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikanHannille Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 [quote name='Greggo' timestamp='1396387869' post='2413122'] I don't know what it is about BB's that makes them so appealing.[b] I used to think they were butt ugly[/b] but now I can't get enough of looking at them especially vintage models. I think it must be the unassuming but unmistakable looks and the simplicity of them. [/quote] I've got to admit, I still think they are but the tone they are producing is one of the best I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 [quote name='MikanHannille' timestamp='1396450727' post='2413817'] I've got to admit, I still think they are but the tone they are producing is one of the best I've heard. [/quote] Took a while for the looks to grow on me also, but tone wise I doubt it can be beaten. The Precision PUP is beautifully smooth when rolled back a little, but can also be monstrously powerful and gritty wide open. The Jazz PUP is so powerful and solid as to put it in a different league to any Jazz I've ever played, it's really hard to believe it's not an active circuit. The combination of the two isn't far off Pre-EB 'rays. It's not only extremely versatile, but it probably does Precision, Jazz and Ray better than most Precisions, Jazzes and Rays do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Coffee Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 [quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1396727803' post='2416896'] It's not only extremely versatile, but it probably does Precision, Jazz and Ray better than most Precisions, Jazzes and Rays do. [/quote] That's not helping my GAS I'm fighting hard not to pull the trigger.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKULP01 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Any BB1025x users know where I can grab one of these cheaply apart from Thomann and musik-produktiv?? The stock seems to be limited everywhere and I don't want to wait months! I can save a bit by buying elsewhere in the EU than say GAK, so any sites? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_bb_1025x_bl.htm http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_bb_1025x_tbs.htm Available in 2-5 days? They have the non-X version in stock now. Or if you want the brown, 3-10 days from Musik Productiv: http://www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/yamaha-bb-1025x-cb.html I'd call/email to confirm those estimates are accurate though! Edited April 23, 2014 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKULP01 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeh man, I've already contacted them today and they've now said JULY! I'm after the Black model so it's very misleading on thomann arghhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinball Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I love the BB series and fancied a BB1000s a while back but when I tried it found it a bit heavy. Whats the weight of the 1025x or 2025x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I've not weighed my BB1025X but it's noticeably heavier than the BB415 which it replaced. I think they can all vary though, Precisions from the same production line can vary by 1 - 2 lbs for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molan Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1396388533' post='2413133'] one is made in indnonesia and the other japan I think? Why would someone spend an extra £3500 on a Pino CS precision when a normal Squier precision is more or less the same? I've got a japanese BB, didn't actually mean to buy it... but the quality of it makes me realise that Beedster is really really daft to sell his BB2024mx [/quote] Having played both the lower end Yamahas vs the Japanese and the Pinos against a Squier then I think the difference is even more marked with Fender than Yamaha. The basic Yamahas leave me completely cold, just a bit sterile and dead sounding compared to the Japanese ones. The Pino is a lot more in terms of price difference (it's actually about £2,750 but still a huge jump) but the Pino is, to my ears, simply the best production P bass Fender make. I've played three of them and each one has been outstanding. Of course, he old adage that costing ten times as much doesn't make it ten times better still stands but, if you can afford it, then it's a fabulous bass. Personally I'd choose a Pino over a 2024 but that partially because I just prefer the look of a Fender compared to the classic BB body shape. However I do rate the 2024 very highly - plus it has a 5 string option which you can't get from a Pino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontalste Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 [quote name='EKULP01' timestamp='1398264527' post='2432211'] Any BB1025x users know where I can grab one of these cheaply apart from Thomann and musik-produktiv?? The stock seems to be limited everywhere and I don't want to wait months! I can save a bit by buying elsewhere in the EU than say GAK, so any sites? Thanks [/quote] There's an eBay seller who sells 'b stock' at a reasonable price, I'd call for a full description first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I believe the expensive ones have their new vibration and wood ageing process like on the Attitude 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) The reason the BB2***s are so expensive is that they are rammed full of really good pharmaceutical quality cocaine that is purified in a special lab in Japan by highly trained craftsmen rather than mass produced rubbish from a factory. It's all hollow behind the pickguard so that they can store the maximum amount of baggies in there. I was told this by an expert. Edited April 24, 2014 by Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) [quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1398283398' post='2432554'] I believe the expensive ones have their new vibration and wood ageing process like on the Attitude 3. [/quote] I've been trying a vibration process on the ageing Mrs Dingus lately, but she sounds just the same as ever. Edited April 24, 2014 by Dingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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