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Motorhead. Volume 10. Stand well back...clears mine a treat. The tricky bit is getting the residue off the ceiling... 🙂

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So these are the holes I’m referring to:

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and the cleaning tool in comparison to the holes:

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I can fit a single strand of the brush into the smaller holes but all it does is push the wax deeper down :(

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Ooooog, those are small holes - my ACS is basically one large hole...  😕

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it's going to end up being like sucking the poison out of a bite isn't it? ynom nyom nyom.

The electronics are permanently in there right? my ACS plugs filters pop out for a good sluicing but i expect this isnt an option.

What does the manual say? would light warming melt the grot out?

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Get some fuse wire and fashion your own hook. I've never in all my years of IEMs seen that before. Have you got really small ear canals? I must say, that it looks like the unit itself is pretty small - so would suggest you have small ears, or at least small concha.

If you are wondering about "concha"...

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My UE6s are the same. One slightly larger hole and two slightly smaller ones. I tape my in ears to the desk set up the Hoover pipe next to them (taped down also and use a tiny piece of wire to gently and carefully loosen anything in the holes. The air flow over the in ear is usually enough to pull it out.

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Just looked at mine too. Never saw it before as they're not flush with the surface but yes, three small holes a couple of mill inside of the outer edge. 

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On 11/12/2019 at 11:20, EBS_freak said:

Great move! Enjoy :P

This thread has cost me a lot of money EBS ! 

On the flip side I have learnt so much about stage / live sound and hearing preservation 

My bands singer ( full time singer / singing teacher) smiles at me every gig after I introduced her and the band to IEM’s

Due to IEM’s we play better and have a sensible stage volume and even the guitarist loves them

For years I have used ACS moulded plugs to protect my ears but always struggled to hear the guitar amp when I didn’t have a wedge, I read this thread and bought some   KZ 10’s pro’s and instantly saw the light ,

I am wetting my pants several times daily in anticipation for my customs 

 

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Hopefully they will make it all worthwhile. I cannot imagine gigging without iems.

When you get your UEs, be prepared to lose your mind! Best thing you can do for yourself and for your band.

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10 hours ago, EBS_freak said:

Hopefully they will make it all worthwhile. I cannot imagine gouging without iems.

When you get your UEs, be prepared to lose your mind! Best thing you can do for yourself and for your band.

I can’t wait to feel the sub on the 11’s 👍

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Ive been meaning to do this for a while... should make things a bit easier to digest for people new to IEMs.

 

 

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On 12/12/2019 at 19:07, EBS_freak said:

If you are wondering about "concha"...

 

I knew what the concha was but I was always wondering where the Craniofacial team of texas part of my ear was!

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As some of you have seen, I've started work on a beginners guide to IEMs. I've put a couple of sections in and currently writing the third (which is about mixers and generating your mix via aux busses).

Is there anything in particular that you guys think should be included? Feel free for some pointers and we can all work towards getting the guide written to help everybody get onboard without having to trawl through this thread. There's some great info in this thread -- but obviously we could do with teasing the best bits out of it and presenting it in a more concise manner!

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On 12/12/2019 at 19:53, mrtcat said:

My UE6s are the same. One slightly larger hole and two slightly smaller ones. I tape my in ears to the desk set up the Hoover pipe next to them (taped down also and use a tiny piece of wire to gently and carefully loosen anything in the holes. The air flow over the in ear is usually enough to pull it out.

After some research I’ve decided to get myself a specialist tool for the job. The Headphone Vac Jr. by Fir Audio. It should hopefully be with me by Monday. Not cheap but hopefully worth it. Take a look - the first video is an overview and the second video shows a typical cleaning session:

 

 

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My next purchase 👍 as my iems have had to go back to Jerry Harvey as the wax had gotten to far down the tubes for the custom iem co to remove  on a service 😬 Ouch 💵😢

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Clean after EVER performance people! It takes seconds :)

Just like you go for a pee in between sets... give your IEMs a quick clean!

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22 hours ago, EBS_freak said:

....mixers and generating your mix via aux busses....

Is there anything in particular that you guys think should be included?

I'd be interested in thoughts/practical examples of compromises when you've got a situation of a desk with very limited aux out options/and or other band members not wanting to go in ear or even through desk.  This often happens when one member of the band wants to go in-ear and the rest don't and the current PA setup is limited in its capacity.   Ideally we'd all want everyone to go in-ear, using a digital desk with enough aux busses for everyone to run stereo but.......

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4 minutes ago, Muppet said:

I'd be interested in thoughts/practical examples of compromises when you've got a situation of a desk with very limited aux out options/and or other band members not wanting to go in ear or even through desk.  This often happens when one member of the band wants to go in-ear and the rest don't and the current PA setup is limited in its capacity.   Ideally we'd all want everyone to go in-ear, using a digital desk with enough aux busses for everyone to run stereo but.......

Funnily enough, I've just put something up about the Zoom H6.

The other thing I'm going to be writing about is splitters and using stuff like the Behringer P16I.

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I had to come up with a very short notice solution when the venue we turned up to play didn't have enough aux channels. 

I used an Alto zmx52 mixer that we keep for emergencies, took a signal from my bass into one channel, and ran a spare overhead mic into another channel. The overhead was placed on the other side of the stage between drummer and guitarist and pointing to the singers, and worked surprisingly well. I ran my Iem's on a 2 quid headphone extension cable from the Alto mixer as I'd already lent the drummer my behringer P2 for the night. 

I also dabbled with a stereo mix that night as a result, and now I'm itching to delve further into that, but with "proper" aux channels! 

The mixer was about 50 quid, and the condenser is a Thomann own brand I believe, in the region of 25 quid. That plus an xlr and you've a very compact and I think affordable option where the ideal aux setup isn't available, as I'd happily use it again. 

The one caveat I'd add is that I don't sing in this band, so the vocals were lower in the mix naturally as they weren't directly input to my mixer, but I would have them that way anyway.

Hope this helps. 

Rick

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On 20/12/2019 at 11:44, Muppet said:

I'd be interested in thoughts/practical examples of compromises when you've got a situation of a desk with very limited aux out options/and or other band members not wanting to go in ear or even through desk.  This often happens when one member of the band wants to go in-ear and the rest don't and the current PA setup is limited in its capacity.   Ideally we'd all want everyone to go in-ear, using a digital desk with enough aux busses for everyone to run stereo but.......

I'm using a Zoom H4N recorder straight into ZS10's. The recorder is just really a convenient way of having  a mic and built in headphone amp in a ready made package. I'm still experimenting and the recorder currently goes onto it's own stand, if I want a 'bit more me' for my vocals I just physically move it closer. I'm looking to get something that will mount directly onto my mic stand, the H4N is quite bulky for that. I'm going to upgrade the mixer at some time in the future so we can all have channels and the Zoom will become redundant but in the meantime I have a portable personal monitoring system I can carry in a pocket. 

I quite like the ambient mic part of this approach, I can hear everything going on onstage, including the stuff we don't want going over the PA and you don't lose contact with the room.

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Just a quick update, I've been having trouble getting my ZS10's to fit even with the memory foam buds. I have quite narrow ear canals and funny shaped ears, in fact I've never been able to get any in-ear headphones to fit and stay in and I use over ears at home. Anyway my Etymotic ER20 earplugs do stay in with the smallest triple flange tips fitted, so I ordered some of these triple flange things  https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06WP97FL3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

I used them in earnest for the first time last night at a gig. Tricky to get in but I got a great seal so the band noise was reduces right down to almost nothing, bass frequencies all preserved because of the seal and a really clear mix of the band at levels which were almost at normal conversation levels. The ZS10's didn't shift all night, at one point I thought they had moved as the band suddenly got very loud but I'd knocked the volume control up, my goodness how loud can those ZS10 headphones go!

This is a game changer for me, I was never going to spend hundreds of pounds on customised IEM's until I knew I'd actually use them, this gives me a way in. Best £3 I've spent in a while.

 

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On 20/12/2019 at 11:44, Muppet said:

I'd be interested in thoughts/practical examples of compromises when you've got a situation of a desk with very limited aux out options/and or other band members not wanting to go in ear or even through desk.  This often happens when one member of the band wants to go in-ear and the rest don't and the current PA setup is limited in its capacity.   Ideally we'd all want everyone to go in-ear, using a digital desk with enough aux busses for everyone to run stereo but.......

I've gone to IEMs and so has the drummer, the rest of the band aren't interested. PA takes acoustic guitars, vocals and electronic drums: keys has his own combo, but sometimes plays through the PA using the combo as a band monitor.

I use three channels of a basic mixer - bass panned left, PA (DI'd from the speaker output) panned right and stage mic panned right. This gives me all the band in a mix I can adjust to get the best fix, with me/them levels showing on the L/R mixer LEDs. The mixer headphone output is combined to mono to feed my Shure SE215s. The drummer takes his feed from the mixer monitor out through a beltpack headphone amp (LD).

David

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1 hour ago, Mottlefeeder said:

I use three channels of a basic mixer - bass panned left, PA (DI'd from the speaker output) panned right and stage mic panned right.

Hi David - it's the 'stage mic' idea I think that I need to explore here - how do you work that?  

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56 minutes ago, Muppet said:

Hi David - it's the 'stage mic' idea I think that I need to explore here - how do you work that?  

A condenser mic (with the highs rolled off) on a mic stand. Job done.

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28 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

A condenser mic (with the highs rolled off) on a mic stand. Job done.

Smashing - can do that.  I saw the Zoom H4/H6 idea too. I can explore that but they're a bit expensive!

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