Lord Sausage

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1341072280' post='1713534'] Are you thinking of buying more than one 2x12 or more than one 4x10? From your post it sounds like you are thinking either a 4x10 or two 2x12s, IME a good single 2x12 is a direct comparison to a single 4x10 (not much smaller in many cases in cab volume size), two 2x12s is a monster rig not to be confused with a single 4x10! [/quote] Just one to start with

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1341072021' post='1713529'] When you said music shop you meant one of those [i]guitar[/i] shops that sell a few basses and Ashdown amps dont you?! [/quote] yeah!

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1338828840' post='1679761'] The watts just don't matter, you have to increase them by a factor of ten to sound twice as loud. Always buy 8 ohm cabs so that if you need to add a second you can. And the last thing you'd add to a 412 is a 115, a 115 can't even keep up with a 212. [/quote] [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1338829278' post='1679763'] So what do 1x15 give you then is it more low frequencies or is that bollocks! Just to be clear then, a 500w amp that only gives out 350 due to ohms would be plenty loud. [/quote] [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1338830436' post='1679776'] Bollocks. Cone size in and of itself only affects one function, the angle of dispersion, The larger the driver the narrower the angle. All other aspects are determined by the driver specs. Same specs, same results, no matter what the cone size. [/quote] This is similar to a post i've just done on another thread, I went into amusic shop with all the extra knowledge garnered off you fine people. I was talking to a saleman. I was looking at an Ashdown 4x10. He said if i buy it to then at a later date pair it with a 1x15 to get the low frequencies. i asked about what the frequency response of the cab was. He didn't know what it was, or meant i think, then went and looked it up on the internet. Thanks basschat!!

So, armed with the extra knowledge that i've amassed off you fine people, I went to a music shop today. I was having a look at a Ashdown ABM 410 (can't remember the letters after the number. The label said it was 650w, on the back of the cab it said 600W. I started speaking to one of the salesmen. I told him how i couldn't make up my mind between buying some GK 2x12's that i'd seen somewhere else or going down the 4x10 route. He said "well most bass players use 4x10's, not many use 2x12's". He also said i'd get a better sound with 4x10's. I thought there may be a few people who disagree with that!

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So something like this then, [url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_bb410t.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_bb410t.htm[/url],(I'm not thinking of buying it!) even tho it seems quite impressive, decent frequency response, 500w, does it mean it will be prob be hiding something? For instance it just saying 102db for Spl won't mean anything and it could perform badly at different points. I mean the price is obviously a giveaway, but that will be more than just build quality, right?

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[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1340826600' post='1710256'] First you have to find them; AFAIK no one reveals them. The official reasons why are 'we don't want to confuse players with information they might not understand (calling you stupid they are) and 'people buy our cabs based on how they sound, not how they chart'. But they don't explain how people are supposed to know how they sound before they buy them if they can't try them first. The real reason for there being no charts is either they don't want you to see them, or they don't have any. Or both. [/quote] thanks

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340824813' post='1710224'] If you're looking for a GK 2x12, you'd be better spending a little extra on the Neo 212-II. Why not a 2x10? [/quote] dunno, as you've probably guessed don't know much about this side. I got a 400w marshall head and a Peavey 2x10 and a 1x15 when i was 18, about 15yrs ago and have always used that so never looked into the tech side. Just concentrated on playing. Now its time for new stuff and i know bugger all

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340824026' post='1710213'] The low E on the bass is @ 41hz, the low B on a 5 is @31hz. 52hz is @ Ab. However, the harmonics a note produces are what we often hear & usually an octave up, but trick our mind into thinking it's the root note. The lower hz a cab can produce though = trouser flapping. Edited to say, 52hz sounds like it might be a guitar cab? [/quote] i use a 5 string so a 52 hz cab would be no good then. I'm looking at a number of different cabs and just trying to research them. The one at 52hz is a[size=3] [color=#000000][font=verdana, tahoma, arial, helvetica]Gallien Krueger 212MBE 8 Ohm. [/font][/color][/size]

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340822936' post='1710197'] Sorry, couldn't resist. It really depends on what the cab is doing with the 14hz & what it does with it at volume. [/quote] Just say you have the 52hz one. Does that mean it is less responsive at low frequency? And is 52hz a poor rating?!

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340822825' post='1710196'] 14hz [/quote] Ha ha. Walked into it really!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1340741334' post='1709073'] Its the biggest number, so the most impressive. The fact you consider it when thinking of buying an amp is all of the reason. The important information is a maximum SPL chart, and an SPL at a given input voltage chart, so you can see if it goes as high and low, and in the middle as you want with the amount of power you have. The generalised versions of these are the sensitivity rating, which tells you how loud, and the min/max frequency range, but both those are a bit fiddly and only useful for comparing cabs among one manufacturer, since they all fiddle them in different ways. The charts are harder to fiddle without it being obvious. Lots of manufacturers don't supply them, but plenty of people pay money without knowing what they are getting so it works fine for them. [/quote] So what region should you be looking for in SPL charts

So what would be the noticeable difference between cabs that went down to 38hz vs 52hz?

As a couple of you may know. I've been pecking heads about ohmage and wattage due to my vast ignorance in all things technical. I've actually learned a little and quite enjoyed it. So i wonder if any of you could give me your opinions on what the pros and cons are between 2x12 cabs and 4x10's, if any! cheers

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1340740318' post='1709047'] Better ignoring watt rating because they don't mean anything. You 500w cabs might be quieter with the amp output than the 300w ones, so you'd have to put more into them anyway, and they might fart out at 100w whilst the 300w rating ones might fart out at 150w. Need to look at the important info, not the meaningless wattage. [/quote] Right confused again! What do they put the watt rating on for? and what is the important information? That's a lot of What watts!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1340732931' post='1708878'] Only 150 makes clean sound, any more makes farting noises. The 300w cab rating is the melting power, farting comes around a quarter to a half of that, unless you have fancy speakers (like a woofer/midrange cab). [/quote] So in the situation i'm talking about would i be better getting to 500w cabs then?

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1340732001' post='1708847'] And since most 300w cabs can only make use of perhaps 150w each you'll still have plenty of amp headroom. [/quote] Can you clarify this? Does that mean of the 250w only 150w get efficiently used?

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1340729535' post='1708781'] Stop apologising The 500W will be split between the two cabs, so a pair of 300W cabs will get 250W each. [/quote] Thanks a lot and sorry for keep apologising....sorry

Sorry for bringing this up yet again! If you are going to put a 500w amp @4 ohms into two 8ohm cabs. Would two 300w handling cabs be enough? Is the 500w split into 250w into each. T^hink i know, I'm just double checking! thanks and sorry!

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I think its just takes time. I started playing 5-string a year after i started playing. It took about 5 days of solid practise to get kind of used to it. There was still the occasional mistake. However, been playing 17 yrs now mainly 5 string and i don't feel any difference when swapping between 4 and 5. I'm not saying it for a lame show off, it just illustrates my point of it taking time.