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Oh Jon, why oh why do you have to make such wonderful things. My honest dream is to one day finally have the money to commission the build I spoke to Jon about a few years ago. The man is just a complete genius.

Selling a bass that unique in a week might be a serious push unless you are willing to go VERY low on the price. Warwick second hand prices have fallen through the floor in the last few years, a Streamer Stage II that would be £4000 + new now would be lucky to make £1000 on the second hand market and would likely take a while to sell. The last Vampyre NT I can see that went on here was priced at £700 and it actually got traded not sold. The last LTD model (which was actually serial number 001) was up for £1500 for quite some time and again went in a trade not a sale. I would say if you need it gone this week you are going to need to look at under £700 to move it, if you want to sell it into a store you will probably be a bit under that even. Sad that the Warwicks have lost so much value.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1403254289' post='2481124'] [size=5][sub]Always difficult to call these things from a distance..............[/sub][/size] [size=5][sub]having said that............ I'd never move near a pub, and can't imagine why anyone would.[/sub][/size] [/quote] I lived 4 doors from a GREAT pub, didn't have live music as was far too small. Spent a lot of money over two years though....

Signed. Sick of this crap. Move next to music venue Complain about music venue. What is wrong with this country!

I went from 6 basses at it's peak to 3 - 1 Fretless, 1 Fretted, 1 Acoustic. All you need!

I once had the 'pleasure' of standing next to a bagpiper playing indoors. Amazing instrument out in gods fresh air but they should NEVER be played indoors.

I have pinned this as I think it's us lefties version of the porn and bass sections all rolled into one!

I think the PJ would sound better but I think the JJ looks better... Not that it matters as a lefty I would have to buy the CIJ anyway!

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1403071751' post='2479358'] A very fine post sir. Hurrah, and well worth a long, slow read by many of the folks spouting all sorts of nonsense they know nothing about. Although I would adjust one sentence ... "the grain structure, density and moisture content of the timber is JUST AS important than specific wood species". [/quote] Oh and as I am one of the people who 'know nothing about this' let me say I have worked for guitar makers for years and sold the snake oil of 'wood makes all the difference', spend every minute of your working day surrounded by various woods, instruments etc etc and you soon realise other than looking pretty they do no noticeable difference to the tone of the instrument.

[quote name='SubsonicSimpleton' timestamp='1403022308' post='2478963'] So are dead spots on necks a placebo effect? And why can you still hear the effect of the dead spot when you are using an amp? [/quote] Dead spots have nothing to do with the wood, every single one I have ever come across could be fixed by working the frets. Sometimes too high but more often than not they are not seated properly.

The violin point is slightly out of sync with the argument (despite me being one of the people who used it! ) The quality of wood on an acoustic instrument does alter the sound as the whole thing vibrates as one. Sold bodied electrics do not.

They have side dots, to be honest that is normally enough for most.

[quote name='EMG456' timestamp='1402998780' post='2478609'] I suspect that most bass rigs these days are designed with the assumption that there will be reinforcement available from a pa system. Ed [/quote] I suspect you are right.

[quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1402507962' post='2474272'] I was sad to part with my Stingray, I really wanted to get on with it and selling it was admitting defeat.....even more sadly I have brought another one and ......you guessed it I don't get on with that either......damn you Musicman must you tease me so [/quote] So much this.

You can pick up a second hand Warwick Rockbass fretless for silly money. They are also pretty much the only bass at that price point that will come with an ebony board. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warwick-Rockbass-Streamer-Fretless-Bass-Guitar-4-String-Natural-Finish-/201107179295?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2ed2ec071f

The Hellborg is very nice if you are Jonas, it sings for him but I could never get a workable tone out of the bloody thing.

[quote name='SubsonicSimpleton' timestamp='1402932624' post='2478023'] The sound is generated by string vibration, which is in turn affected by the mechanical integrity of the structure which supports it at each end - as the instrument vibrates in sympathy with the strings, certain frenquencies will be cancelled, attenuated or boosted by the interaction between the string and the structure, this isn't some dippy xyz wood species sounds a certain way BS, but simple physics, and the same reason that deadspots occur on bass necks. Propagation of vibration through solid materials is directly affected by their physical properties, for engineering purposes, these properties are easy to control for refined metal and plastics, but trees not so much. IMHO the grain structure, density and moisture content of the timber is way more important than specific wood species, and is one of the reasons why if you try a bunch of identically specced mass manufactured guitars or basses back to back, you will find that some are better than others and this is noticable both amplified and unamplified, and that weight can vary quite a bit from one example of a given design to another. The main variable that cannot be controlled easily in a modern production enviroment is the quality of the individual bits of wood. The cheaper the instruments, the bigger the variation as they are being built down to a price, so lower grade timber isn't being screened from the production process. When I've made comparisons like this in the past, the difference in tone tends to be subtle, but responsiveness to playing dynamics, clarity and sustain is much more noticable and makes certain instruments seem to "sing" easily in comparison to others, or the notes in certain registers have more energy or definition, with the exact same strings, pickups & electrics through the same amp on the same settings. You could also make the argument that some of this variation might be caused by inconsistency in the amount of glue used in joints, neck/pocket seating accuracy, nut seating etc and I would be in agreement, but modern manufacturing processes have really tightened the overall QC on even the cheapest instruments and consistency is much more about variations in materials now from what I've seen of modern buget offerings including basses that retail new in the sub £100 bracket. [/quote] This is a very long post and don't take my short reply for evidence of not having read and digested it. You show me the human being that can honestly hear the difference micro vibrations make to a string vibration once that has been passed through pickups, electronics, amp and speaker and I will show you superman. It is a placebo effect of the highest caliber! Much the same as blind tests have shown people can't tell a strad from a modern violin and that famous test where someone bolted the pre CBS Fender loom and pickups to a plank of wood and nobody could tell which sample was the guitar and which was the plank.

The RB Alien is something really special, if Warwick had some proper distribution and dealers in the UK you would see them everywhere as I can't imagine a bassist picking one up and not wanting to buy it.

When I worked for them it was policy not to offer CS options on a sig instrument. May have changed now.

Ok, perhaps I worded it poorly, the wood has no effect on tone, the feel and attachment to an instrument can come from the wood.

Wood is not a homogenous material no, that's why it's lucky that ALL the tone of a bass comes from the strings, pickups and electronics. The wood makes not one jot of difference.

I think it does boil down to not wanting to change spec's of a sig instruement, in fact it does say on the Warwick Custom shop pricelist that you cannot customise a Sig.