Muzz

We encountered a new one (to us) last week - a compresser limiter: crappy down-pointing speakers over the dancefloor, and a PA set to squish and compress into mush anything over 90db. We made sure the B&G were aware of the limitations before we started, so they weren't upset with us, but it was a tiptoeing nightmare. Why some venues advertise as a live venue is beyond me...well, the money, obviously, but no-one enjoys it...

See my reply to the other thread -

Yes please - I'm just running round trying to find two for me and my lad for Saturday

Oh, I've no doubt it's the way forward, it's just some of us aren't there yet... Having said that, I doubt Ampeg are quaking in their boots just yet...they still seem to be selling plenty of SVT stacks...

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1469654537' post='3100158'] Muzz how is it not practical for some situations? Do you use different PAs depending on the gig size? We have got our PA that we use in all our gigs. Might be overkill for some, but it looks the part, and that's what a volume slider is for right [/quote] Yeah, we play a range of gigs, from acoustic duo and trio to three and four piece setups, some with keyboards, some not, so we use more or less PA depending. We also use a range of deps, and getting everyone on board and sorted out can be more hassle than it's frankly worth. With a stable band lineup (hah!) and a more fixed infrastructure it'd be great, but that's just not where we (I) am at the moment. To reiterate, though, it's a great way to play, and if you can get the technology ducks in a row, it's very good indeed.

Yep, I think that'll do you fine - as has been said, the fact that it's a matching cab from the same manufacturer will be the biggest advantage.

Yup, I had the same bass (a BB3000a) from new in 87-88 until a few years ago when I discovered this place. I've since had dozens, and dozens of amps/cabs. What I've also had is fantastic fun buying and trying every sort and make of bass and amp and cab I fancied (and even some I initially didn't) - it's been a great hobby and a journey. And I'm a much better player than I ever was. What's not to like?

I've got an in-ears setup, and it's a very very good solution, but, like an SVT and 810, not practical for an awful lot of my bands/gigs. If you've got all the angles covered, great, go for it, but even when we've used the X18, there's always been a faff somewhere along the line: it takes the whole band to be onboard (hah) with it, and with us there always seems to be some compromise somewhere, so I've always taken my rig 'just in case'... It might just be the people I play with...:/

[quote name='wishface' timestamp='1469641195' post='3099998'] Just to be clear, the TRBX 30 is the 304. The label in the shop said 30, not 304. [/quote] The 304 is the 4 string, the 305 is the 5 string. 30 seconds on Google. They're a good bass for their price range. £290 new, £150 secondhand on here. Go for it.

Rereading the original post, are the 'woofy' comments coming from a gig? The AE112s are rear ported, so there might be an issue if they're hard up against anything behind them, etc. Just a thought...

Wedding gig in marquee at post country house hotel with worst in-house 'PA' I've ever encountered: four down-pointing flat speakers across the front of the dance floor, 90db compression limiter, no monitoring possible, we had to set up across the side of the dancefloor, at 90 degrees to the line of the PA speakers. You could hear people's feet shuffling on the dancefloor. We switched to the singer's solo acoustic set early doors so we could have a look at the in-house setup, and managed to get a bit more out of it, and the gig improved from there. Early finish ruined by the A1 being completely closed at Scotch Corner, the diversions were nonexistent, it took 45 miles and an hour and a quarter to get back onto the A1 ten miles south at Leeming. Pfffftttt... On the upside, I sounded great...

Yep, if it's wooly, it's not the cabs. I'm running three (or two, or one, depending on the gig) AE112s, and they sound really good with my Magellan. They also sound good with my Walkabout.

Yup, I have two sets of moulds: one with the 15s in for going to other people's gigs, and one with monitors in when I can get a feed from the desk. Essential kit.

[quote name='wishface' timestamp='1469208314' post='3096718'] The ones that were in the shops i visited in town today were around £300, i found a second hand one for £280 but it was buzzing all over the place. Id on't know if they are USA ones or whoever. This is the problem I have; I don't know all this secret manufacturer stuff and I don't want to commit to something without being 100% sure [/quote] They'll have been the newer 'Sterling by Musicman SUB' - they're the cheap ones to which I was referring. You won't find a new USA Sub anywhere: as I said, they were discontinued a good while ago.

It's apparently from the METAL world, soooooo... I kinda like it: if you're gonna go over the top, go over the top

[quote name='wishface' timestamp='1469202270' post='3096647'] The 'proper' music man basses are very expensive, these ones are about £300. Are you sure they are better? [/quote] A secondhand USA SUB can be had for £350 or so, when they come up - they've been discontinued a while now. The SUB/Sterling new ones are, as I said, a different thing altogether, a much cheaper bass in every respect. The USA SUB Ray is pretty damn close to a USA Ray (£700 up secondhand) if you're on a budget.

Depends which ones - the USA Subs are basically MM basses with a cheaper finish, they were so popular they were discontinued, because sales of the 'real thing' went down. I've had both, and there wasn't a whole lot between them, certainly sonically. The Sterling SUBs are a different (cheaper) bass altogether.

Depends how many hundred a few hundred quid is, really, and how you're defining 'cheap'. If by 'cheap' you mean low quality, then the MIM Fenders have a good rep which takes them out of that area. there's lots of options, especially secondhand, but again, it'll depend whether you're talking £300 or £600..

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1469117525' post='3095930'] If you play [i]avant garde[/i] music, you can just fart at the appropriate point. Or jazz. [/quote] Fart a top E? Blimey, that's some control, that is...

Whaddya mean "soon"? We've even had people not look at us, presumably to prevent us becoming intimidated by all the scrutiny...

If it's Wigan, it's gotta be bagpies... We do this one, but we use keyboards for the first spasm*, perhaps a cheap melodica might be a good idea? * Ohhh, I'm keeping that one...

Played a similar setup not long ago - farmer trying to make his barn a wedding venue, no sound damping, precious little heating (a couple of those jet engine warmers) and a limiter set to Sparrow's Fart mounted on the wall right next to the edge of the stage. The drummer clicked us in for the soundcheck, and his sticks made the light go amber... We'd had no notice of this sort of restriction, so we immediately went and found the bride and groom and explained the situation. They weren't happy (they weren't happy with lots of things already, including the aforementioned heating) but at least we had them on side. We offered them an acoustic version of our set, but they wanted the full nine yards, which they got, albeit at conversational volume. It's never good when you can hear people's feet shuffling on the dance floor... It was a twitchy, unsatisfying gig. Bottom line, though, was that we made sure the people paying us knew the restrictions we were playing under.

I slipped off to Bass Central for an afternoon last time we were in Orlando, there's also Guitar Centers around the place - think the US PMT. Yup, Tech21 (that new Bass Fly Rig is a bargain over there compared to here), DR Strings, and pedals (you'll need another DC adaptor for the UK, but they're not much) all worth picking up for suitcase-stuffers. I'm still kicking myself I didn't buy the Tonehammer 500 I found on sale at a GC, it was a complete bargain.

FWIW, I think some opinions on Class D are behind the times with the newer generation of amps which have come out recently - I'm thinking about the Magellan, the RM800, the Subway, etc. Understandable as there's relatively few of them about.