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[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1385831896' post='2292663'] I don't mind that so much, just as long as it is presented as opinion. I'm less keen when those regurgitated opinions are presented as FACT (usually in block capitals), as "myths debunked" or as some sort of pseudo-scientific "proof" in a discussion. This is a common ocurrence on a number of internet forums. I've nothing against a bit of conjecture in a discussion if it's not masquerading as anything else. [/quote] It's not, though - I often hear descriptions of amps by people who haven't played 'em, without them actually acknowledging the fact.

It happens quite often that people recite, as opinion, stuff they read on TalkBass or heard someone say down the pub. One thing that bothers me a little is reviews of cabs based on trying them in the shop, or in the the living room. The only way to form a truly useful real-world opinion is to gig it in a variety of situations and see how it fares.

Yay Ed.. welcome aboard. Great to see you on BC!

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1385729599' post='2291581'] Does anyone else think the vocal mix was a little odd? It sounded like Geddy was going through an 'old-time radio' effect throughout, quite boxy and echoey. [/quote] It's a bit odd. It's like a gated reverb, or something...

Last call for volunteers based 'down south' to babysit some trial cabs... I'll pass the info to Tommy in the next couple of days.

I take back my earlier comment about the CD mix... Apart from the lack of dynamics, which is pretty much par for the course, the actual mix is one of the best I've heard from them. Alex' guitar has lost a lot of the mud, and the bass is growly without being fizzy.

Lakland do a similar gauge for not much money.

[quote name='Immo' timestamp='1385586332' post='2290074'] Unfortunately, he's right. One of the basic rules of language (and communication in general) is that through custom and frequent usage, most vocabular atrocities become common and accepted ways of communicating. If something is widely used by a lot of people, it slowly gravitates towards being a rule. If someone manages to communicate something via means full of errors, but still message is interpreted correctly, the whole communication process was a success. Unfortunately, with harm to purists. However, an error of using contradicting words interchangeably or misspelling names is not a custom. That's straight up vocabular ineptitude. American English is American English - a form of English. The same way as an electric chair is an electric chair - a form of chair. [/quote] I think everyone knows this - otherwise we'd still be speaking like it was 1700. This is just a daft thread where we can all have a light-hearted gripe about what bugs us in modern language. It's not a serious attempt to halt its evolution...!

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1385583621' post='2290023'] You're probably right, writing about stuff you actually know about is never a good idea on internet forums. I'll stick to talking crap about bass playing in future. [/quote] What? You know about writing, and language and that? Please! Share your wisdom with us!

Mrs. WoT uses a Pirastro Tonica.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1385570583' post='2289789'] American English is still English. [/quote] Uhhh.. righty-ho. This might not be your kind of thread, then.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1385570168' post='2289784'] Almost every one of the apparently unforgivable grammatical errors listed here will be standard practice in the English spoken somewhere in the world, most likely within the UK. Or has dialectical variation been banned from the hallowed halls of Basschat? When I used to teach English at University, my standard answer to 'which of these is right?' would be 'that depends on where you are'. [/quote] Many of the posts have been acknowledged as regional variations. Too many of them are just lazy mistakes / Americanisms.

The Final Cut is extremely melodic, IMO. And depressing.

Mrs. WoT plays. Happy to pass questions on...

...and just remembered there are some Indonesian Squiers with the one-piece guard as well.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1385320771' post='2286911'] Can't remember if it was a Mexican mind..... [/quote] MIMs weren't introduced until 1990....

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1385319840' post='2286881'] Of course, journalists can be wrong , and opinions are subjective, but when it comes to old guitars , spectacles do always seem to be rose-tinted . Every bass is an individual case, of course, but it just really facinates me how the perception of these things changes over time. [/quote] This can be turned around... In the cold light of day, people who own 'em know they're great basses. Problem was, people were looking for something else at the time.

The Precision Specials are custom-shop quality. Top-notch. ...as are the AV reissues. I'd be interested to hear what people didn't like about them? Great woods, well-built with a keen eye for detail. Maybe they were 'disappointing' because reissues weren't what people wanted to see in the early 80s. Of course the MIJ stuff was also great at the time, and cheaper, but that's not what this discussion is about.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1385318344' post='2286845'] I take your point, but it still sounds very spontaneous and under-rehearsed to me, albeit in a good way, , regardless of which take this is on the recording. [/quote] That's what I get from it, too. It's a great line, but it doesn't sound 'played in' yet.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1385318060' post='2286841'] The first sign of better things from Fender was the Elite series , but the didn't turn up in the U.K in any numbers until 1984/85, partially because Fender U.K were trying to clear existing stock . I got one of my mates from school a good deal on a beautiful Elite 2 Precision Bass from the aforementioned shop , and that was the first one they got , and that must have been early 1985. [/quote] I disagree. Before the Elites there were the Precision Specials in '81, which were extremely well built by a small team, with great hardware and electronics. And then there were the American Vintage reissues in '82, which are regarded as classics and fetch a premium. [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1385318060' post='2286841'] Fender basses were well out of fashion at the time anyway, and there were far fewer available in retail stores both in the U.K and USA due to lack of demand and the relative success of their competitors . How times have changed! When it comes to this era of basses , Fender might have lost that battle, but they won the war in the long-term. [/quote] I agree.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1385314936' post='2286778'] At the time, one of the ( many) problems that Fender were facing as a company was that their retailers were in a state of revolt because of the amount of unsaleable utterly crap products Fender were giving them to try and pass off to the general public . Fender dealers literally couldn't give these basses away in the early '80's , and Fender had to start offering special promotions and discounts to the dealers to get them to stock these and several other of their guitars at the time. They even ceased production for a while . If these have become sought after as being "vintage" then anything is possible. It's as if in thirty years from now Susan Boyle becomes seen to be a sex symbol. Not least of all from an aesthetic point of view, they have managed to take something as inherently beautiful as a Fender Jazz Bass and make it look ungainly by virtue of the bizzare "restyling" . Why tamper with perfection, and why tamper with it like that? Fender managed to make themselves look not just desperate but lazy and stupid, too. I remember when these basses were current , and they were the worst possible use of your money at that time. [/quote] They ceased production prior to these, while they downsized and revised their processes. The handful of Dan Smith-era standards I've played reflected the much-improved QC of the time. Aesthetics are subjective, and every year has its dogs and diamonds...

[quote name='Moos3h' timestamp='1385307672' post='2286650'] Probably no great shock but some of those were the worst basses Fender made but by god some of them were awesome! [/quote] Weight aside, they're not famed for being hitty-missy...? The previous models (S7 & S8's) were a different story...

Early 80s models, around the time of the management buy-out. Like this...

Ideally, we set up in a circle and use floor monitors. No need for a PA - we don't have one pointing at us at the gig, so why would we in rehearsal?

+1 for Roqsolid. Brilliant. As an aside, Silverstone seem to have gone to the wall. Not before time.