uncle psychosis

What did he write on it? I can make out "Duff" but what does the other bit say?

Is this one of the early models where the guys in the factory were washing their hands with bars of soap, or one of the later models where they'd moved to liquid soap?

Signed instruments are weird. To people who don't care about the signature they probably devalue the instrument. You have to hope you can find a collector and that they are willing to pay a premium for it. The fact that you have decent proof of authenticity helps. If you really want to sell it and fetch its best price I think you would probably be best trying to find some serious GnR / Duff McKagan collectors rather than offering it to other bassists, most of whom won't really care for the signature. Good luck

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1360752029' post='1975734'] Fender CIJ 1962 re-issue. There really is no reason to spend more money. Get a good one and set it up properly! [/quote] I find it hard to disagree with this.

The latest Eels record, "Wonderful, Glorious". The title is appropriate.

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360683267' post='1974574'] Oooh, another factoid: [/quote] I apologise in advance for the pedantry, but... [size=4][b]Factoid[/b] [color=#333333][b]A.[/b][/color][color=#333333] [/color][color=#333333][i]n.[/i][/color] [color=#333333][b] Something that becomes accepted as a fact, although it is not (or may not be) true; [i]spec.[/i] an assumption or speculation reported and repeated so often that it is popularly considered true; a simulated or imagined fact.[/b][/color][/size]

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360676514' post='1974362'] ............ and we're back to being a [b]musicians[/b] forum again! [/quote] ...wanna buy a bass? I bought it cheap...

It has become almost impossible to say you don't like The Beatles---people throw proper hairy canary hissy fits if you do (just read the last few pages).I think its because lots of Beatles fans are unable to appreciate that it is entirely possible to accept how influential and important the Beatles were whilst not actually enjoying their artistic output. I like The Beatles (although they do have quite a few turds hidden amongst the gems) but just because something is important and influential doesn't mean you have to actually like it.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1360593742' post='1972930'] Uncle Psychosis's point about a seller's enforced need to realise a good price - sickness, bills, personal circumstances etc., is a good one and shows him to have a considerate nature, IMO. [/quote] Thanks. I think the point I was trying to make initially was that I don't think its very fair to assume that someone is out to "screw" the community based on a one-off sale. Its not very community spirited to jump to negative conclusions about your fellow bass chatters, IMO.

[quote name='Dr M' timestamp='1360590427' post='1972821'] There's a lot of strange behaviour on ebay. I was selling a something a while ago - someone places a high bid. The next day they contact ebay and have the bid removed citing 'made the bid by mistake' or something. They then re-bid just before the item ended with an even higher amount. Seriously bizarre. [/quote] That could be an attempt to see the maximum bids of other buyers, or an attempt to work out your reserve price (if you had one). Or it may just have been someone being weird---eBay definitely attracts some weirdos!

[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1360588830' post='1972772'] Be interesting to see how this turns out bearing in mind the experience of the performers, session musicians, studio crew in there today compared withe The Beatles of yesteryear. [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21408897"]http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-21408897[/url] [/quote] I remember reading a review of an album of R&B covers of Phil Collins tunes that was only one line long---"worse than anything imaginable by the undrugged human mind". I suspect that line might be reusable in this case.

[quote name='Johngh' timestamp='1360586280' post='1972655'] The only time I think it's acceptable to sell a bass on for more that a member paid for it is if new strings have been added or if a bass has been bought and then had some luthier work done on it to make it straight. [/quote] Is that really what you think or do you mean [quote name='Johngh' timestamp='1360586280' post='1972655'] The only time I think it's acceptable to sell a bass on for more that a member paid for it is if new strings have been added or if a bass has been bought and then had some luthier work done on it to make it straight. [/quote] ...because if you mean it as you wrote it then this thread is about to get even longer and even more heated!

[quote name='oggiesnr' timestamp='1360582291' post='1972544'] In my business I get this all the time, my usual answer is "No problem, go and buy it from them" Steve [/quote] I used to work in a large newsagent chain when I was a student. My branch was open 24 hours so stuff was more expensive than normal, as is usual with small 24 hour shops. People would come in during the day (when other shops were open), pick up a pint of milk from the fridge (where the price was clearly marked), bring it to the counter, and then complain about the price saying things like "the small shop across the road sells this for 20p less". And then they'd buy it anyway. Weirdos. Or they'd come in at 4 in the morning, drunk, and say things like "I can't believe your sandwiches are so expensive". Well, go somewhere else thats open at 4am and buy a cheaper sandwich from them, then

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360578638' post='1972461'] As I said, I think it was an "in theory" question. It wanted an answer - presumably "in principle". [/quote] Great, so we've been arguing over something that isn't even happening? Apologies for being a bit grumpy Stu, I've not been sleeping very well recently and its far too easy to take out your frustrations on strangers on the internet. I'd just like to say that I really do appreciate the basschat "community" (even if I do disagree with some of the regulars on what that means) and don't condone people taking advantage of each other here (not that its actually happening )

I like The Beatles, but I've never quite understood the fuss over the Abbey Road record. It has some genius moments but some absolutely stinking ones too---"Maxwell's Silver Hammer" demonstrates perfectly why the Beatles were doomed.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360577942' post='1972446'] Just for the record I didn't accuse YOU of anything; though if by your argument in defence of it you are aligning yourself with those that are then again, that's your look-out. [/quote] I described this specific scenario as "a little off". Hardly a resolute defence of flipping. [quote]And - again - and as clarified, I was talking, as I believe the OP was too, about people who make a habit of it, ie. "trade" (by the demarkation of BC). AFAIK it was rhetorical question & not accusing anyone. [/quote] [b]Is there anyone on the forum who is making a habit of it[/b]? I've not noticed. Hardly anything is selling consistently at the moment, I'd be genuinely flabbergasted if someone is able to consistently turn a profit buying stuff on the forum and selling it for more money a short time later.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1360577380' post='1972433'] Then either you haven't listened properly or you don't understand Eliot - or both - but it really doesnt matter. [/quote] I'm afraid it will take a lot more than TS Eliot to convince me that LZ were good

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1360576162' post='1972402'] Yes, but you missed out 'good'. [/quote] No, I didn't

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360576097' post='1972398'] We've already established that you have difficulty reading things before jumping in with inapprpriate diatribes. Apologies if that's down to dislexia or something, but if it's just down to inability or unwillingness to interpret from what you've read (you have read the whole thread haven't you by now?) then I don't see any point in going any further with this. [/quote] Oh dear. Again with the personal insults. If you'd "read the whole thread" you'd find that a few posts ago I actually said: [i]"[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][b]For the record---buying stuff cheap from the classifieds just to sell it on is a little off, yes. [/b]But if it was here, on the classifieds, for cheap, then its already been offered to the community. People on this site know their stuff, if its selling cheap its probably because the market is really, really slow, so selling it on for more will almost certainly be very hard" [/font][/color][/i] You chose to ignore that and instead you jump down my throat about "not looking out for each other" and accusing me of only being interested in money, when you know nothing about me. I ask again---which of these things shows more community spirit: 1. Wanting to believe that other basschatters are fundamentally good people, regardless of how much they sell stuff for 2. Assuming that someone who buys cheap and sells for more is out to screw the rest of us without any further information to go on ?

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1360575866' post='1972390'] 'Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.' (T.S. Eliot) [/quote] LZ were immature, mature, and bad all at once?

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360574862' post='1972370'] I'm sure the buyer, as or when it arises, on here would be most grateful for the favour you do them in letting them see how much they could have got it for if someone intent on a profit alone hadn't jumped in first. [/quote] How do you know the seller is purely out for a profit? There have been several threads recently where several forumites have mentioned struggling to make ends meet. Maybe a so-called "flipper" is someone who buys a bass and then gets an unexpected car bill the next day. [quote]It's OK, you're just one of those more in the £ camp, as opposed to those more in the forum out for each other if needed thing. That's your bag, it's OK, you're not alone. [/quote] What a load of nonsense. I've never "flipped" anything, on basschat or otherwise. And don't dare condescend to lecture me on looking out for each other when you've never met me or dealt with me in a trade. I recently held onto a bass I wanted to sell for several months---because I wanted it to go back to its original basschat owner---when I could probably have sold it to someone else for more money and quicker. The camp that I'm in is the one that refuses to vilify people for lack of "community spirit" when I know nothing of them. If anything, isn't it a sign of a lack of community spirit to assume the worst of people purely because of the price they ask for something? Are people only welcome in "the community" if they can afford to give away gear for cheap?

Lets not forget that a large part of led zeppelin's output was shamelessly "borrowed" from elsewhere in the first place!

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360572920' post='1972341'] That's why the rest of us have read [i]all[/i] of the thread, and some of us queried for clarification, before jumping in with "I buy a bass on Ebay....." [/quote] I'm afraid I don't see any difference between buying something cheap on eBay and selling it here for more than I do with buying something cheap here and selling it here for more. If anything, buying it cheap on eBay is "worse"---if it was here in the first place people are more likely to know how much you bought it for!

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1360572209' post='1972330'] However many people have gone out of their way to assist others on this forum without seeking any remuneration in return, from organising bass bashes to loaning out amps. That's the nature of the community. Personally I shall find it a little sad if all our interactions are reduced to purely financial terms. [/quote] ...and thats brilliant. It really, genuinely, is. But accusing people of "bad form" and being "out to screw people for every penny" because they have chosen to sell something at its "market value" when you know nothing about their personal circumstances is just as sad a breach of community spirit as so-called "flipping" is.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360571991' post='1972327'] The OP has made his position and question clear, as did I (twice) and as did Clarky and Skank. If you can't grasp that it's your look-out, no-one elses. To quote you He wasn't talking about Ebay, he wasn't talking about BC in general, he was talking about how is was taken if or when a BC-er bought something on BC with the sole intention of selling it on at a considerably greater price (which has now been construed as being a trader. So, again, I'm on the side of those who say it's bad form. [/quote] You might want to read the OP again and see if its actually "clear" at all. Nothing is mentioned other than "buying basses cheaply". No comment whatsoever on the source. [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][quote]...as in selling them quickly for profit.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This issue arose on another thread a couple of weeks ago. A fellow forumite mentioned their dismay at someone buying basses cheaply and quickly turning them around for the BC marketplace at an inflated price. A few members chirped up and said 'this is the way of life', 'good luck to them' and then a few more, (me included), were surprised by this and mentioned that, whilst in no way against the rules, flipping basses on BC was poor etiquette and had previously been frowned upon by the community.[/quote][/font][/color]