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[quote name='yanto' post='924251' date='Aug 13 2010, 06:59 PM']No one's biting tonight-some of my faves [/quote] Ahh I'm just not on the ball tonight

[quote name='yanto' post='924194' date='Aug 13 2010, 05:50 PM']There are some shockers out there but ones that spring to mind are the bloke out of the Stranglers,him from Rush and the bass "player" from Lead Zeppalin-all crap[/quote] Eek. John Jacques-Burnell, Geddy Lee and John Paul Jones all panned in one sentence. Each to their own of course, but you couldn't have picked three more revered and highly emulated bassists if you'd even tried

[quote name='skej21' post='924151' date='Aug 13 2010, 05:10 PM']+1 This is also true of Punk bassists. They (Punk acts) were employed and grouped together to enhance the D.I.Y, anyone-can-have-a-go mentality of Punk. This was a perfect way to rebel against the clean, technical, solo-orientated Rock that had come before Punk. Therefore, what some people may call "awful" playing (such as Sid Vicious' bass playing) is actually perfect in a certain context and can enhance the musicianship/quality of music within a specific genre. I would also prefer to listen to Sex Pistols or Buzzcocks or ANYTHING rather than listening to more than 10 seconds of Michael Manring and an E-Bow![/quote] Precisely. I also appreciate that Michael Manring and an E-Bow might float some people's boat, just not mine. I vaguely remember Cliff Richard getting interviewed a while ago talking about how the Beatles sounded sloppy on record. As far as I'm concerned, that's what makes music timeless. Perfection is uninteresting to listen to, but it's the smallest of idiosyncrasies that make music brilliant. Lennon couldn't play piano that well, Keith Moon might not have been the greatest drummer, and Bowie DEFINITELY cannot play a saxophone to save his life, but that is what is brilliant about their music!

Best of luck with this endevour, our drummer has just finished up building his own studio from scratch and it is a great, great place to be. So expensive but worth it. He spent about the same as you intend to spend and he's stretched it a long way.

I don't think I've ever heard a really awful bass player who hasn't been right in a band situation. Sting springs to mind. Hugh Padgham who engineered a few of the Police's albums said that Sting was a really sloppy player (there was even a stage where he was recorded playing bass whilst jumping on a trampoline, much to the engineer's frustration). But still his bass lines were right for the stuff he played. Sloppy, yes. Awful? No way. And I know it's an age old argument, but I'd sooner listen to Sting playing whilst jumping up and down on a trampoline than listen to more than 10 seconds of Michael Manring and an E-Bow. Technical proficiency isn't synonymous with musicianship, so it's too hard for me to say if someone was truly awful or not.

[quote name='SpinalTap' post='923038' date='Aug 12 2010, 06:40 PM']Some fair points, but don't forget the Celinder is a 'copy' of a early sixties Stackknob Jazzbass. Now that I have an original stackknob Fender that I even like a bit more than the Celinder, it would be a shame to use this bass for backup. So the next few months I will think about de-fretting, or selling this bass.[/quote] I'm actually going to start saving in anticipation of you selling it. I've wanted a Celinder for so, so long now!

I shall ask Eddie next time I see him. Want to know myself now!

Usually hate slap solos etc on Youtube, but the guy's very good indeed.

Ahh screw the haters, I love Fender, they're the one of the reasons I love coming back to my bass time and time again. Each to their own of course, I see this turning into a Fender love/hate thread

Wohoah. Nice!

[quote name='Faithless' post='921034' date='Aug 10 2010, 09:54 PM']Do you? Here you go.. Well, can't say it sounds worse with P, just different.. Fodera's more defined. And, it seems, that, in Letterman show, Janek needed to count it for those bloody horns, hehe.. [/quote] That's better! To be honest I'm just not mad on Foderas, nothing gets better for me than a good Fender Jazz or P. Must say I was a bit ignorant to the fact that Janek did anything else aside from his solo stuff, which I'm not mad on, but the guy is obviously a great player.

Dare I say it... I would have preferred to have seen and heard the P-Bass!

[quote name='benzies123' post='920205' date='Aug 9 2010, 11:42 PM']Yeah I do agree with you, but at the same time in this day and age I feel that a lot of people forget the fundamental reason we are educated - to learn. I am going more to learn then anything else, I'm sure if I really persisted I would eventually be able to join the music industry on my own accord, but the way I see it, attending a conservatoire or college would be the best way at my level to really get my abilities and musicianship up there and give me a chance of following my ambitious aspirations. Again, that wasn't meant to sound like a rant , just my humble opinion.[/quote] I absolutely agree. As long as you're willing to work for it which it sounds like you are then it's worth doing. Good luck with the audition process.

I think if I was going to offer any advice it would be to keep in mind that if you're going to do course like Music at uni then you're doing it for the right reasons. It's 90% for the contacts and experience and 10% for the degree. If you want to work in music for the rest of your life then you need to bear in mind that you can do it without spending the money on the degree. I went to LIPA in Liverpool and finished early because I was already a working musician and found it hard to keep up with work, plus because I already had my connections to musicians I never fully connected with my fellow course mates completely. Don't overdo it at your audition, be frank and thorough with your answers but do something that will set you aside from the other guys that auditioning.

Take it easy, remember that there will be a lot of people auditioning who think they're bigger and better than everyone else and that you don't have to be one of those people. What criteria are they specifically looking at in a prospective student?

[quote name='ironside1966' post='910641' date='Jul 30 2010, 08:30 PM']Bass player [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDsyF2nzMh0&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDsyF2nzMh0...feature=related[/url] Musician [url="http://www.youtube.com/user/MarloweDK#p/u/90/6vQa6PjEX1E"]http://www.youtube.com/user/MarloweDK#p/u/90/6vQa6PjEX1E[/url][/quote] I get your point, but actually I reckon they're both bass players until they're in a band. Then the first one will still be the bass player... and MarloweDK would be the musician that ties everyone else together.

Depends on what your definition of good is and as I'm guessing you're about to find out, this is a topic no one is ever going to agree on! Here's a few ones I reckon are notable. - My Generation - The Who... John Entwhistle - Scorpio - Dennis Coffey - Bob Babbitt - Alright Now - Free - Andy Fraiser - Donnie Hathaway Live 1972 - Voices Inside (Everything Is Everything) - Willie Weeks - Do I Do - Stevie Wonder - Nathan Watts To name a few from the past few decades of popular music. In jazz there is so much more because the bass has much more free reign. That leads you on to players like Jaco Pastorius who, like him or not, was pretty much the first person to have explored the full range of what his bass could do, and then put it down as an album.

No way! Nothing that is a 'feel' like funk can be taught, that's why it's called a 'feel'. It's natural, you either have it or you don't. And there is nothing worse than someone trying to be funky and just not getting it. You can get better at it though. If you listen to D'Angelo's rhythm section in this clip [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCeBoYD9ps"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCeBoYD9ps[/url] for example, ?uestlove and Pino just have got it, they sit on it and just groove hard. What's obvious is that it's just in them to play like that, it's not forced whatsoever. It becomes very obvious a lot of the time when I've seen some bands play that they just don't have that feel in them. [quote]Why is it whenever you look on youtube at a trade show or bass gathering ever one is a slap monster.[/quote] It's boring to me, really dull and uninteresting to watch. To me slap bass has become synonymous with over playing, and not funk. I watch these solo guys play and it's hard not to think that you sound like a hundred other different players. I still appreciate people like Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten because they're very musical, but in reality I'd much prefer to sit back and listen to Pino Palladino, Braylon Lacy, Raphael Saadiq, or Paul Jackson play with their respective artists. Listen to this 1:50 in and check out Braylon Lacy's bass section with Erykah Badu. You can't teach feel like that. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AZaZZXg2s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AZaZZXg2s[/url]

Liked Incognito's bass players in the past, particularly Randy Hope Taylor and Julian Crampton, but not mad on the music as much as I used to be! Still, tight band.

Potassium from bananas and suppliments and sodium choride (salt) as well as good warming up. I was prone to it when I first started gigging!

[quote name='witterth' post='909106' date='Jul 29 2010, 12:16 PM']Pino?? no way!!?? we all know hes' doing The Who, but Queen as well? eh? really? never knew that.[/quote] Yes, briefly. Quick bit of research and it turns out Danny Miranda (Blue Oyster Cult) played on the Queen + Paul Rogers tour.

[quote name='yorick' post='909230' date='Jul 29 2010, 01:49 PM']I was in a fight in LA with a certain ginger haired singer who was in an obscure band with some top-hatted guitarist from Stoke.[/quote] That's amazing! Hahahaha Paddy McGuinness was at one of our gigs a while ago. Also supported the Beach Boys (minus the most important member, Brian Wilson) and Ace of Base last summer. Tedious? Absolutely

[quote name='witterth' post='909080' date='Jul 29 2010, 12:00 PM']Oh dear, ....wake up Mr S !! oh, but.. I suppose you mean nowadays though, dont you? I think its some american session guy (name? I don't know) who fills John's shoes when they do gigs now. Paul Rodgers? (I think Fred would have approved BTW)[/quote] Pino Palladino for a time. Not sure who it is now.

Amazing bass player, simple as..