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[quote name='Lord Sausage' post='907656' date='Jul 27 2010, 10:30 PM']Who? [/quote] I think he played with Iron Maiden for a time.

[quote name='wombatboter' post='907307' date='Jul 27 2010, 04:52 PM']Funny enough I get the impression whenever I'm visiting bass-chat as a "foreigner" (I'm not from Great Britain) that in general people aren't that "proud" of McCartney (this tread is again proof) which surprises me since he's part of the British culture, if you like it or not. There are various treads which show that no one is favouring him or putting him on a pedestal (like 'favourite bassplayer" or "big influence"). I don't get the impression that he's "God" whenever I'm around here so I don't get that "fascism". He's got his fans (I'm amongst them) but not to the extreme. Actually I feel that around here (Belgium, Holland, Germany, France, etc) people are showing much more appreciation for what he's achieved (as a bass-player or as a singer) than in his own country but I could be wrong.[/quote] You're right, in fact you're bang on the money. I think people on the continent are more accepting and willing to put personality to one side and actually appreciate what McCartney has done for music. He is technically a well established figure in British popular culture and history but there is just a different attitude to music as a whole in the UK. I don't think it's as well appreciated as it is elsewhere in Europe. I visit Scandinavia often and you can't help feeling like their passion for music outweighs that of our own sometimes.

Yeh even I'm bored now. I love McCartney. If we are going to start listening to music based on the assumptions of an individual musician's personality then my record collection would consist primarily of Kylie Minogue.

Annoying isn't it?

Hammersound Birkenhead. 0151 652 7454. Don't be fooled by the slightly awful interior of the shop. Ask for Dennis.

Lee Sklar is an amazing player. So's Jimmy Johnson for that matter!

You could speak to a number of pro audio shops who will be able to help. There is a superb guy near me on the Wirral that does my stuff, although I must admit it would be a bit of a hike for you to get over. Best of luck in your search.

[quote name='Wil' post='906544' date='Jul 27 2010, 12:18 AM']Its been ages since I've heard that - used to listen to that album a lot when I was into hip hop. I love the drums when they pick up the pace at about 3.40![/quote] Love ?uestlove and Erykah Badu, what a tune.

Nice posts... here's one of my favourite synth bass parts for your listening pleasure.

[quote name='scalpy' post='906425' date='Jul 26 2010, 10:46 PM']All these people saying Macca's a bell-end as if they have to work with him. Obviously I haven't either, but I know a man who has who can't praise him enough. He has endless tales of Paul rolling his sleeves up and getting involved, never ever mentioning his wealth and giving to charity on an epic scale. For somebody to live through what he has without any semblance of precedent would put any personality to the test, and you could argue that only George got close to being truly humble about it all. Musicians as a breed are proud of what we do or we wouldn't put ourselves in the position to communicate our ideas to an audience in the first place. Paul is quite rightly proud of his accomplishments and a lesser man would be even more boastful or whatever characteristic you wish to choose to describe him. If I had played bass in the Beatles I'd probably find it a little tricky not to mention it once in a while. Musically I believe the word to describe his playing is eloquent. Always the right turn of phrase at the right time. One of the few bass players the average punter will do "air bass" to when he drops a fill in- I'm thinking "With a little help from my friends". I can't believe there's 7 pages of this stuff and I don't believe anyone's mentioned him playing and singing at the same time. There's a video from the Magical Mystery Tour period where you can see him miming away admittedly but the bass line is bang on. I must remember the song. The earlier stuff maybe more simplistic but he rips through it. And as to all this business about Entwistle and Jamerson. McCartney was doing a very different job for those songs. Most of us have played in more than one band and know that you just can't always do your thing. It's back to the right thing at the right time. The Beatles were about the lyrics, the melodies and the textures. Paul did what he needed to and considering the variety of material demonstrated an imagination way beyond what most other musicians are capable of to suit. Entwistle was effectively the lead guitarist in his band and Jamerson developed a niche for another equally fantastic way of playing, again very specific for the audience. I'm staggered that so called musicians can't recognise what McCartney has achieved, especially as in many ways he has defined commercial bass playing.[/quote] + a billion to this post. If I'd graduated a few weeks ago instead of dropping out, McCartney paid a visit to my year at LIPA and sat down one on one with a lot of my friends and listened to their music, praising a lot of it and getting really enthusiastic. I was completely gutted I wasn't there.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='906203' date='Jul 26 2010, 07:04 PM']OK. I don't really move in those kinds of musical circles.[/quote] Honestly, I don't either, although I must admit as a 21 year old trying to fill a gap it pays better than work 9/5 at Tesco.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='906193' date='Jul 26 2010, 06:53 PM']BTW what's muscle memory got to do with it?[/quote] Everything. I sometimes get calls to do gigs where I don't know all the tunes, and the gig is later that night. You know a bit of the tune in the back of your head, or you might have played it before years previously, so you have to recount it there and then. But... then I think bass players have the luxury of not being too concerned with the details of everything, unless it's a very specific bass line. Pino Palladino talked about his 'trust chops', i.e. when he's got a lot of stuff to play for a gig he'll trust his memory to recount a lot of what comes next. If you're wrong, it's not the end of the world, move on.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='906152' date='Jul 26 2010, 06:19 PM']Well I'm proud to say that I don't know how to play any of the bass lines suggested, except for "All Right Now" and that's only because one of the bands I'm in at the moment do it.[/quote] Is that because you don't know the tunes or is it because you find it hard to pick the bass lines up through muscle memory? EDIT - sorry if that seemed a bit arsey! Just curious really, having played in a covers band for a while I've got good at recounting the classic pub rock anthems

Bass lines everyone should know... as in to play or just to know instinctively? In any case here's some some I think were landmarks: - Paul Chambers on 'So What' - Miles Davis - James Jamerson on 'I Was Made to Love Her' - Stevie Wonder - Paul McCartney on 'Something' - The Beatles (obv) - Bernard Edwards on 'Good Times' - Chic - Greg Philinganes on Billie Jean - Michael Jackson - Anthony Jackson on 'For the Love of Money' - The O'Jays - Jean-Jacques Burnel on 'Peaches' - the Stranglers - Tony Levin on 'Sledgehammer' - Peter Gabriel But to name a few!

[quote name='KERMITNT' post='905656' date='Jul 26 2010, 12:15 PM']So name the best bass for that works all around and has a special position tou your heart The best bass that ever played own is my Fbass BN5 the reason is SOUND 1) Awsome sound through the mix can fit in any style 2) Many features flexible preamp: hum backers/single coils vol , vol , treble , passive active control and 3 band boost eg 3)B is a killer QUALITY Top quality in every way 1) frets 2)electronics 3)woods 4) finish all so well cared i never seen before maybe is equal to Jerzy Drodz that i one played (awsome bass too) PLAYABILITY 1)The best feel play low action bass ever. 2)19mm that i love 3)never need tuning is amazing 4)a bit of chunky neck not to much though to put your left thump in order to get the nice position... [/quote] Not fair! Wanted an F-Bass ever since I tried one out in NYC this April. Not into boutique basses but I would snap an F-Bass up no doubt. Haven't actually got a bass right now I'm 100% into so I'll have to get back to this once I do

[quote name='JTUK' post='905324' date='Jul 25 2010, 10:50 PM']No problem with it if it is played as a definitive line. I have more of an issue with the keyboards left hand not staying out of the way of a bass.[/quote] Okay, then how about sequenced bass then? Can it make for an interesting bass part or is it out of the question for you? Forgot to add this part in my original post

Greg Phillinganes and Stevie are the guys for me. Tasteful, absolutely mind-blowing left hand bass lines!

Fairly self-explanatory really! How do you feel about synthesised bass? Do you feel it adds a new dimension to the low end of a mix, or do you think it cheapens what you've been practicing long and hard to do all of these years? Or maybe even somewhere in between all of this? My thoughts are that I love playing synth bass live (I use a Korg R3 but would kill for a Moog Little Phatty). As far as I'm concerned I think some of my favourite bass parts have been synth bass (Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson's stuff, a lot of electronic stuff I listen to), and it doesn't bother me much at all. What I enjoy doing more is replicating (or at least trying to replicate) that cool quantized feel of a lot of synth bass on regular bass guitar, I think it makes for good practice. But that's just me. Any thoughts/opinions/experiences on the subject? Hopefully not too heated, I'd be interested in hearing everyones thoughts!

[quote name='Waldo' post='904887' date='Jul 25 2010, 04:59 PM']I have to admit, those guitars look absolutely wonderful[/quote] Plus to the 1. They look cracking.

[quote name='garethox' post='903418' date='Jul 23 2010, 05:27 PM']Allow me to counter with - btw there is no 'h' in Entwistle, if you're going to drub someone at least spell their name right! I don't understand your opinion but you're entitled to it and while it is absolutely OK to not like his style and tone it is not cool to call someone (living or dead) , how did you delicately put it, a 'pretentious twat' for absolutely no reason at all. John was neither for your information. If you don't think Entwistle sounded good on 'Who's Next'; 'Quadrophenia' and 'The Who by Numbers' to name but three - then I don't know what to say! McCartney's bass playing was pretty uninteresting before 'Revolver', 'Rain' etc; John started off with 'My Generation' and kept moving forward - helping to advance string and amplification/effects technology along the way. To say he sounded 'sh*t' is, IMO, slightly misinformed as is 'sh*t looking'. His Alembic's, Gibson's, Fenderbirds, Status' are, IMO, some of the greatest looking instruments ever picked up; but what has image to do with talent anyways? If it means that much to you, take a look at your Avatar (just a joke!!!) As for his live tone from '99 to '02, I know it isn't to everyones taste but he was going deaf at a tremendous rate and that tone helped him hear what he was doing. He wanted to keep playing by whatever means possible and that was it. Can't argue with you on the songwriting front though! Re: Macca - he is a solid, intelligent bass player who does what the song requires in a melodic and often interesting way and he wrote some of the greatest songs ever in many peoples opinions. The man has melody seeping out of his pores and is a legend. Someone mentioned John would agree that Macca was a good bassist - he did but he was also annoyed that Paul kept winning 'Best Bass Player' in all the polls way back when![/quote] Garethox, I'd probably ignore what thisnameistaken has to say, he's the sort of person that likes to throw rocks at things and see what happens on impact. For what it's worth though, Entwhistle and McCartney were both great players, not worth comparing in the least as they are most massively different.

I would like to think that no one would be daft enough to think Jamerson was anything less than a master. I get why people wouldn't like the music (although that seems equally difficult to comprehend), but to deny his ability and skill is mental. As it happens, this thread seems to have gone in a really positive way, which I'm delighted about

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902741' date='Jul 23 2010, 03:00 AM']If anyone started telling me that they were better than (insert any name here) I would immediately think 'I doubt it' and the bigger the name the more I would doubt it. Anyone who might really be considered better than (insert any name here) wouldn't need to say it.[/quote] A huge +1 from me.

[quote name='Big_Stu' post='902737' date='Jul 23 2010, 02:39 AM']Now you're saying "post" - I saw "thread", big difference. The guy ventured an opinion, the main thing wrong with his statement is using the word "most" I'd say. I wouldn't say "most" pub band players were better, but there could well be some. I knew a guitarist in Edinburgh who was leagues ahead of most major league names/players; I guess he just didn't get the breaks. I reckon 100's pf people across the world could say the same thing. But put the word "most" in it?? Nah.[/quote] Well forget the part where I said about it being a McCartney loving post, I was in retrospect wrong about that. Even if it was then it should be allowed for people to voice their opinions regardless. Point being that if the guy had worded his post like you just did he might have endeared himself a little better. It's such a stupid argument anyway, with no ground for reasonable discussion when you're claiming to be better than Paul McCartney. It's just wrong in so many ways.