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[quote name='garethox' post='903418' date='Jul 23 2010, 05:27 PM']Allow me to counter with - btw there is no 'h' in Entwistle, if you're going to drub someone at least spell their name right! I don't understand your opinion but you're entitled to it and while it is absolutely OK to not like his style and tone it is not cool to call someone (living or dead) , how did you delicately put it, a 'pretentious twat' for absolutely no reason at all. John was neither for your information. If you don't think Entwistle sounded good on 'Who's Next'; 'Quadrophenia' and 'The Who by Numbers' to name but three - then I don't know what to say! McCartney's bass playing was pretty uninteresting before 'Revolver', 'Rain' etc; John started off with 'My Generation' and kept moving forward - helping to advance string and amplification/effects technology along the way. To say he sounded 'sh*t' is, IMO, slightly misinformed as is 'sh*t looking'. His Alembic's, Gibson's, Fenderbirds, Status' are, IMO, some of the greatest looking instruments ever picked up; but what has image to do with talent anyways? If it means that much to you, take a look at your Avatar (just a joke!!!) As for his live tone from '99 to '02, I know it isn't to everyones taste but he was going deaf at a tremendous rate and that tone helped him hear what he was doing. He wanted to keep playing by whatever means possible and that was it. Can't argue with you on the songwriting front though! Re: Macca - he is a solid, intelligent bass player who does what the song requires in a melodic and often interesting way and he wrote some of the greatest songs ever in many peoples opinions. The man has melody seeping out of his pores and is a legend. Someone mentioned John would agree that Macca was a good bassist - he did but he was also annoyed that Paul kept winning 'Best Bass Player' in all the polls way back when![/quote] Garethox, I'd probably ignore what thisnameistaken has to say, he's the sort of person that likes to throw rocks at things and see what happens on impact. For what it's worth though, Entwhistle and McCartney were both great players, not worth comparing in the least as they are most massively different.

I would like to think that no one would be daft enough to think Jamerson was anything less than a master. I get why people wouldn't like the music (although that seems equally difficult to comprehend), but to deny his ability and skill is mental. As it happens, this thread seems to have gone in a really positive way, which I'm delighted about

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902741' date='Jul 23 2010, 03:00 AM']If anyone started telling me that they were better than (insert any name here) I would immediately think 'I doubt it' and the bigger the name the more I would doubt it. Anyone who might really be considered better than (insert any name here) wouldn't need to say it.[/quote] A huge +1 from me.

[quote name='Big_Stu' post='902737' date='Jul 23 2010, 02:39 AM']Now you're saying "post" - I saw "thread", big difference. The guy ventured an opinion, the main thing wrong with his statement is using the word "most" I'd say. I wouldn't say "most" pub band players were better, but there could well be some. I knew a guitarist in Edinburgh who was leagues ahead of most major league names/players; I guess he just didn't get the breaks. I reckon 100's pf people across the world could say the same thing. But put the word "most" in it?? Nah.[/quote] Well forget the part where I said about it being a McCartney loving post, I was in retrospect wrong about that. Even if it was then it should be allowed for people to voice their opinions regardless. Point being that if the guy had worded his post like you just did he might have endeared himself a little better. It's such a stupid argument anyway, with no ground for reasonable discussion when you're claiming to be better than Paul McCartney. It's just wrong in so many ways.

[quote name='Big_Stu' post='902731' date='Jul 23 2010, 02:17 AM']Not in the thread title I'm seeing on my monitor it isn't. And since when is an opinion such as the one you quoted in need of any kind of "roasting" at all?[/quote] Did we read the same post? The guy was saying with the greatest of confidence that his ability eclipsed that of Paul McCartney. You'll forgive me when I say I'll believe it when I see it. And I quote: [quote]most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of [McCartney][/quote] You've got to admit... there's a sh*t lot wrong with that statement.

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902719' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:57 AM']The phrase actually used - i.e. 'most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of [McCartney]' - could easily go in Basschat's Famous Quotes thread. It was definitely a bit of a roaster itself.[/quote] It definitely made me lose faith in the sanity of the common man for a few seconds.

[quote]Never in my life have I seen so many patronising tw@ts all in one thread. Is no-one allowed to have their own opinion on this forum without being slagged for it?[/quote] It's a thread about loving McCartney. It stands to reason that if you refer to him as a twat and go on slagging him off then you're going to get minced. If he'd said something like 'I'm not a fan of McCartney, but each to their own' etc. then it wouldn't have merited the same roasting.

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902689' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:22 AM']Correct, Collins is a very good drummer.[/quote] Yep, a massive +1. Peoples ideas of musicians in the public eye seems to be that this makes them inferior musicians. You only have to listen to A Hot Night In Paris to realise that not only is Phil Collins a good drummer, the caliber of musicians on that tour wouldn't even entertain the idea of playing with him if he wasn't.

No problems here.

[quote name='Mr Fudge' post='902671' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:01 AM']Most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of this raven haired twat. He has grasped defeat from the jaws of victory with over 30 years of solo pap. I would like to bring Neil Young to the witness stand to show the world how to remain a dignified artist over 40+ years. As for the 60's ??? I'm no expert but I seem to remember a nifty player called the ox? Not popular I know ... but I just can't see it. I suppose Phil Collins is a great drummer? [/quote] Disparaging Paul McCartney is a little like saying J.S Bach wasn't all he was cracked up to be. It's bollocks basically. Opinions aside, I'm sure if you got the chance to speak to John Entwhistle (god rest his soul), he'd tell you that Paul was a more than capable player who had a profound affect on The Who, and every other single band since the Beatles existence, whether they were aware of it or not.

Love it. Nathan Watts is right up there in my favourite players. Not only is he a complete genius, but if you're Stevie's MD and right hand man then you're doing something right.

[quote name='Pete Academy' post='902365' date='Jul 22 2010, 09:16 PM']On the early Beatles songs - which were my era - I can't hear anything special at all. I've often heard people mention him, but can't hear anything different from the other 60s bands. Please enlighten me to something that he did that was special.[/quote] So much Pete! Something, Penny Lane, Don't Let Me Down, the whole of Abbey Road. If you listen to his approach to bass he's completely unique, there is no one like him out there.

Amazing bass player and currently on of my favourites. He's a bass player that has adapted his playing to his singing, and very much sounds like a guitarist that plays bass, something I don't deem to be a bad thing at all as it gives him a great melodic approach to playing. I think he's superb.

We do a version of 'I Wish', check it out here. Recording is a few years old. [url="http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-band/sets/biker-groove-party-band"]http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-b...oove-party-band[/url] Played most of the tunes at one time or another!

[quote name='urb' post='901608' date='Jul 22 2010, 09:00 AM']I used to feel the same way about him - I never really dug him past his School Days album - wasn't a fan of the the Clarke/George Duke stuff at all - BUT having got into his last couple of albums and then seen him at Ronnie's last week I can honestly say I'm now a fan and he is without doubt playing at the very top of his game. I can only second all the positive comments here about the Ronnie's gig - a truly mind blowing band of young players - with Stan the wise jazz elder at the front - he played he ass off on both electric and acoustic basses and the material was really good as well. I interviewed him on Friday for BGM and he was very, very cool in person - I've met him before when he was touring the RTF band a couple of years ago - he seems very happy with life right now and has some more exciting new projects in the works - so look out for the piece in next month's mag. M[/quote] Yeh I know his playing is excellent, he just doesn't personally fit in with what I look for in a bass player. I like some of his upright playing though! It's one of those things isn't it... I love Jaco for example but I know he's not for everyone. Still doesn't detract from his awesome ability and musical prowess.

Their horn section is sick! Absolutely amazing players!

Never been a fan of Stanley Clarke, although his contribution to electric bass I understand is sizeable. Sidestepping the usual 'who's the best of all time' argument (I would still argue that Jamerson was, and was definitely the most influential), he's a great player with serious stamina and musicality.

[quote name='beardybass' post='901055' date='Jul 21 2010, 04:35 PM']I'm with Bilbo, he's a great player but his music leaves much to be desired. I went through a phase where I bought loads of his stuff, then realised I could only listen to it for about 30 seconds before turning it off and putting something with songs in it in the cd player. I'm almost scared to say this, but I find Miles Davis really rather tedious too. :ph34r: [/quote] Everyone's entitled to their opinion though, aren't they? I don't like Marcus Miller too much although I think his bass playing is fantastic... it's just really not my thing. I think you've got to see stuff for what it is, even though you don't like it doesn't instantly mean it's crap. I don't like U2 for example but they've written some undeniably great tunes. What I hate is the irrational side of opinions, Bono's a bit of a ponce therefore his music is terrible etc. it just doesn't work like that. You shouldn't be too panicked about just voicing an opinion, it's what opens the floor to healthy debate

Louis Johnson and Freddie Washington are my favourites.

Dynamics can't be applied like orchestral players so readily on an electric instrument, the beauty of a bowed instrument like a violin or a cello is that intensity and velocity can be controlled a lot easier... also the formal training of orchestral players allows them to be more adept at having dynamic control. Bass and guitar should be no different but the control over volume relies more on the players ability to manipulate their right hand... palm muting for example, and using your thumb to pluck instead of your index finger in order to alter attack. The reason I like higher action is because of reduced string noise against the frets, and my ability to sound single notes with more articulation and control, to whatever tempo I'm playing at. I've found myself playing with a pick also recently, with varying degrees of palm muting and ghost notes and I think higher action helps me control my sound a lot better in this aspect.

Cheers Mark! Really glad you enjoyed the tracks. The P-Bass is settling into the regular rotation very nicely

Put a few new tunes of my band playing the kind of stuff we do at cover gigs and whatnot. Let me know what you think! [url="http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-band/sets/biker-groove-party-band"]http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-b...oove-party-band[/url]