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[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1384895654' post='2282106'] I don't like the way they look stacked if they are not all the same width, height I can cope with . [/quote] Ay visually its a mess.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1384866010' post='2281550'] Oh right! I found the finish on the new cab to be very similar to that used by BareFaced! [/quote] Did we get the same cab??!?! Haha. Mine is covered in a quite thick black textured tolex. Very smooth.

I think it depends where you want your mids! There is more of a low mid bump in the NX2, so where it would 'punch' and sound forceful instead of providing the more mid mid or high mid detail. To be honest though, as the Ed Friedland review shows, it is a very balanced cab compared to many. If you put sucked mids in, you will get sucked mids out.

[quote name='gillento' timestamp='1384805243' post='2280974'] Hey Gareth can you compare it to your trusted db212? [/quote] Hiya! Not had chance yet but good idea! The NX2 is much lighter and much easier to move!!!

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1384777451' post='2280511'] I'd say that the fact that there are a couple of negative comments about the cabs on this thread will not be helping the resale... [/quote] The thread will be forgotten in time. It's the same as people saying you can't sell a Stingray for a decent price. You CAN, if you are patient and its been looked after. There are so many single H Black Rays, its unreal, but a sunburst HH Ray with matching headstock? Changes everything. Supply/demand. Notice how BF Gen 2 cabs used to be snapped up VERY quickly? Not so much now as the market is becoming flooded.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1384774626' post='2280465'] They would be worth what the market decides. The only way to know the figure if for someone to try and sell one at, say £500. See if someone buys it. I know where you are coming from, and it is interesting, I paid £500 for a prev model neox212t. That was once a £800 cab too, but I'd not expect to get more than about £300 for it. I base that figure on my usual calculation of 2/3 of the shop price at the time. This usually seems to be about right. So, valuing yours at £300 I am actually being generous in my calculation given what you paid for it. Ethically, if someone tries to sell one at a price which is too high, no one will buy it. Personally if I had just bought one of these at £380 and wanted to sell it now, I'd want £300. [/quote] £300 is not, IMO, generous. I like my cab and I'm happy to have found a neo cab that ticks all the boxes and isn't £800-1000. For that reason, selling it isn't an issue for me as I won't be selling it. This type of sale also happened with Tecamp, with GuitarGuitar selling £900 neo 2x12s for about £400. Notice how now the supply/demand has changed and a Tecamp would bring about £600 second hand, at least, in good condition. The Neox/NX2 has always been a popular cabinet, and always £700-800. It will no doubt continue to be made by Fender. We shall see what the prices change to. You do realise that £300 would probably not even cover the cost of the drivers in some circumstances? We are talking fairly high end faital neodymium drivers. Neo is still expensive. If Conan wants to sell for £500, I would not think this is a sneaky way to make profit, its just he was lucky to snag a good cab at a low price.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1384684170' post='2279354'] Oh absolutely! The problem is that my amp (a Hartke LH500) is hardly noted for its ability to chuck out mids. My main bass is a Fender J and I prefer to have both pickups on full. Again, a bit of a mid-range desert! Add to that my use of a BDI21 and you start to see the problem that the new cab is up against! That said, under identical conditions, my Compact always sounded rich and full. Why can I never just be happy with what I have?? Damn you GAS!! [/quote] Wow, that is a mid desert! You are literally sucking mids at every point. I'm finding the cab is extremely balanced but there is a small low mid bump. I am shocked that a 1x15 had more mid punch than a 2x12 with drivers that are on par, especially as the 2x12 is voiced more to punch through. I tried a Compact a while back and it could seriously throw out some low end, but it missed the definition I'm used to, hence it didn't work for me. The other thing that confuses me is the BF tend to promote that it's cab that gives you what you put in, so no mids is no mids, with no particular voicing of the cab changing that. That said, everyone has different tastes so if it doesn't work move it on With regards to price, the cab is £720-740 new. It's upto you how you play it. You were quick to order so if you make profit, you make a profit. If you don't want to do that on here, that's fair play. It might seem more moralistic to sell on eBay etc. Saying that, there are some lurkers on here who post new basses every now and then but they mainly sell basses and amps that they've definitely picked up cheaper. We are probably funding their new gear.

Just the standard padding, no board.

[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1384604166' post='2278575'] how's the fit of your cover ? Mine is slightly too long so touches the floor on the front & sides,i may return mine so they can shorten it a tad. [/quote] It does touch the floor a little but the wheels are free to move. To be honest I'd rather it be a little longer as if protects it when sliding into boots, etc

Roqsolid cover arrived. What a fantastic company! These guys put a lot of our Brit companies to shame. Excellent service and great cover.

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1384547336' post='2278117'] Mine used to break up if I went anywhere past 9 o`clock on the gain, using a regular US Precision. Doesn`t sound right to me, being able to get to 2 o`clock - I`d expect to out-Lemmy Lemmy on that setting. [/quote] Plus 1, something isn't right.

[quote name='michinho' timestamp='1384517476' post='2277585'] ahh cool thanks. Well when I use the overdrive i'd like to get louder anyway so I guess it isn't too much of a problem. Is there a problem using bass OD pedals with a single tube inside infront of a bass amp with a tube pre such as the streamliners? What i'm getting at is, would the tube OD in the pedal still effect and "heat up" the tubes in the pre on the Genz? Again I hope that made sense LOL [/quote] Probably will It will push your gain into the amp if the pedal is set up with a hot output No problem putting a pedal into a Streamliner.

[quote name='michinho' timestamp='1384516513' post='2277560'] Thanks Can you have the gain switch on and set to clean with a little bit of dirt and then use an overdrive pedal to push it? Or alternatively have the gain switch off and do the same thing? having a high gain signal going into it. Would this be like having the gain switch turned on? I hope that made some sort of sense... [/quote] You could but the overall volume would increase

[quote name='michinho' timestamp='1384514566' post='2277527'] What tubes are used in the Streamliners? Has anyone replaced there's for different results? Would like some nice tube grind to my tone if possible. [/quote] Mine are stock. For pretty gnarly tube grind: Have the gain button pushed in; Lower the volume (left hand volume) to almost off; DIME the gain. Then, bring the left hand volume up a touch, and use master for the actual volume. If you don't have the left volume down, it may be incredibly loud!

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1384510079' post='2277451'] Got mine set to 12 o'clock at the moment... haven't had a full volume test yet though, I'll have a tweak around with it when I get the chance. [/quote] I'm finding just a touch sounds great! Very clear tone. Despite the odd issues with screws, I still think these are exceptional cabinets.

How much are you guys dialing the tweeter in?

I have never played in anything that is purely 'metal', as I always have and always will much prefer anything that is punk/hardcore orientated when it comes to more aggressive music. One of the things that I really dislike about most the metal bands I've heard is the guitar sound. QOTSA are by no means a metal band, at all, but a good idea of what I think a heavy guitar sound should be...eg not totally overdriven, warm, crunchy, and I guess more traditional. The poor reception bass players get in metal is probably why I much prefer modern punk, (see Rancid, A Wilhelm Scream, NOFX).

I feel quite lucky that I don't see any of that on mine. Mind you, the foam material is not an issue...

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1384449294' post='2276879'] I want a single H now , in lieu of a Stingray Classic. If I could get a nice Stingray Classic that weighed 9 pounds or less then I would snap it up , but I think I am unlikely to be that lucky , so my next best choice would be a Bongo H . How long before you get the same urge, Gareth ? [/quote] HAHA! I know. I eventually got a Classic 5er H from Promenade Music....the neck is incredibly pretty. Very good price as well. The single H Bongo has me thinking. It's actually significantly cheaper than the HS and HH, and it is justified as the tone is different. They have all rosewood neck options at the moment for an extra £150 or so. Imagine a Bongo H in Tangerine Pearl with an all Rosewood Neck??!?!

No issues whatsoever with any Genz amps. I've had two for quite some time.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1384445023' post='2276809'] I think the Bongo looks great, and they sound unique . Definitely my favourite EBMM bass, by far. [/quote] Agreed. I bought one, then bought another as I liked it so much. One of the most radical and interesting bass designs in the past 10 years or more. Funnily enough, it has been said that the Bongo wouldn't last. Funny that, but its eventually infiltrated the lives of most Musicman owners that I know. The build quality is absolute perfect on mine....nice weight, beautifully carved/machined body shape, perfect paintwork, and a killer sound. That is exactly what they wanted, a killer tone. They absolutely nailed it.

[quote name='jimbobothy' timestamp='1384435668' post='2276628'] Just a wonder, GAK replied saying all of the cabs they get through now are MIM. So are the ones from Bass Direct USA ones or have some random old stock USA ones been sent out from the dusty store cupboards lol? Also just wondering CamdenRob how do the MIM and USA built cabs compare in the finer details? Asking out of interest tbh, I'm sure they sound great whoever made them! Afaik the covers are made in Batley, West Yorkshire. [/quote] Mine was the very first one GAK got in from the shipment...about a week before the rest. It's extremely well made and finished very well. I need to double check the date but to be honest, it is flawless so I'm not bothered. The prices on these did drop from £750-760 to about £710 about 12 months ago. Might be a cheaper labour reflection?

As BF state about their cabs, same applies here. It might take time for to EQ the cab how you like it. Conan - Is your amp the Fender style EQ, eg mids are flat when mids boosted to max? I'd lower the bass to 12, (or lower...it doesn't make much difference but saves you wattage!), keep the mids flat (or boost if possible) and keep the treble fairly flat or boosted as the tweeter has a fair amount of high freq information!

[quote name='Adee' timestamp='1384430656' post='2276545'] I've been using the slightly older NeoX212t for two or three years now and love it and I paid £450 used for mine !!!! What I'm looking forward too is when these cabs all flood into the used market place and you kind people let them go for shall we say .... errrrrr £200 yeah that will do : ) [/quote] Haha! i think anyone wanting to sell soon would be best waiting to see what Fender make in its place. The next cab could be equal/re-branded or lesser, who knows! I really think Fender could miss a trick if they don't use the Genz engineers knowledge and previous products to make a monster lightweight Fender branded bass amp. I've waited for this type of cab for years, so mine will be kept for a very long time!

Yes, if you think about it, the cab handles don't actually (unless I'm mistaken) enter the area where the speakers are situated. If they did, they would have to redesign for the changes to sound/performance, etc. I used to have the TC RS212 (still have the RS210s) and I sold the RS212 to get the old NeoX212....but moving house etc got in the way and I never bothered. Now, I have the upgraded NX2 for less than what I originally sold the RS212 for! The RS212 was a really nice, full/fat/low mid kick type cabinet. It was however heavier than the NX212 and could not handle as much wattage. It was very awkward to lift with the handles being where they were.