Musicman20

Crazy low price. That is mental. 10lbs?!?!? Now I want one.

[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1383568101' post='2265884'] do they actually have any stock of these,when i phoned they didn't & couldn't give me a delivery time. [/quote] No stock in their warehouse yet. They are on their way, apparently. If I don't get one I'll get an Uber 115 stack. Update - Found out they are available to order. As in you order, they will get one in and not charge until it is sent out.

[quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1383562319' post='2265772'] From the phone for delivery thing doesn't sound like it is in stock at that price though. [/quote] I've checked that. They are arriving soon.

The GB NX2 212T is normally £740 ish. I'm also tempted to get an Uber 15 stack. I don't need it. Must stop. The TKS cabs are great as well. VERY well made, light, great tone.

This is a big hint. Check GAK's website for the Genz NX2 212T.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1383520340' post='2265519'] Barrie - looking on TB there were a few reports of BX500s cutting out. Has this been sorted, do you know? They look like nice heads for a back-up... [/quote] Ay, the Carvin amps do seem great and I like that it is all made in house (well, assembled).

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1383497555' post='2265058'] Just to add ... another amp that worked straight off the shelf was the PF500...IMO.. but the trick is whether these sort of amps amp up anything like as well. [/quote] Yeah if the PF500 was reliable I would try one! I get the TH500 sound by just using the TH pedal.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1383424619' post='2264423'] I used to have a JV Series Jazz Bass and subsequently a JV Series '62 Precision back when they were current , which must be thirty years ago now . Looking back , they were terriffic affordable basses at the time , but if I take off the rose tinted spectacles, I can remember them well enough and knew them intimately enough to say that they could easily be substituted with new instruments made in the present , and I would not even remotely consider buying one of these basses at the prices they go for today . They were nice budget basses, but that's all they were . The Holy Grail status they have taken on in the interim period is disproportionate to their true worth as instruments , and in all honesty , I would recommend that you take a look at the current American Standard range for a much better use of your funds if you want a solid and reliable bass that will give you years of good service . I would also question the worth of a JV Series Squier as a long term investment . It's only a matter of time until the bubble bursts and people start realising that the Emporer has got no clothes on in terms of the market value of these basses. Mental health care has probably changed a lot in the interim period , but if you had suggested paying the equivalent sum as they are going for today for one of the Squiers thirty years ago , you would have probably been Sectioned. I got my Squier Precision secondhand for thirty quid and it was in mint condition , ( but in those days you could always find hippies in need of cash). I think my Jazz cost £185 brand new. The Roadworn Fender remind me a lot of the old JV Series Squiers , and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they become sought adfter in a similar way after they are discontinued . The only drawback to the Roadworn Precision is the 1.75 nut width , whereas the Squiers had a 1.625 nut that lots of folks , including myself, prefer . That's the width on the current Am St bases , and they are superb basses . To give you some indication of how good I think they are , I went out a few years ago to buy a proper vintage Fender with enough funds at my disposal to buy anything that took my fancy , and came home with a new 2009 American Standard and most of my money intact . [/quote] Great post!

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1383475225' post='2264739'] They can print whatever numbers they like on them but past experience(not just the TC heads) shows that very rarely the rated watts and what it actually performs are two very different things. And compared to the 500 watt markbass head I was using straight after I sold the RH750, it felt just as loud if not louder, due to it being for more dynamic, especially around the lows. The genz stuff now incorperates a similar power compression like the RH heads, some kind of power management to be more efficiantbor something I guess. The RH750 at gigs and at gig volumes is something that I believe people should try as it's very different a regular class D amp, [/quote] Ratings are always a strange one. The Markbass amps don't hit the 500W claimed (the LM3) so that's something to consider. The Markbass may APPEAR louder because the taper on the Markbass master is one that allows most of your headroom between 0 and 1/2 o'clock...and then they clip. It's a common thing for a manufacturer to do...trick you into thinking you have another 5 or 6 notches of volume left. You don't. The Genz and TC heads let you turn ALL the way up in small increments. The Markbass LM3 DOES have a wider low end, I agree, that is the nature of that amp. It depends what you want. Ive rehearsed and gigged both the RH amps and the Markbass LM3. The RH450 sounded tighter and more defined and easier to control with the band. More mid push, better control of the EQ, etc. It was indeed louder or at least as loud as the LM3 rated 50W more. No contest with the RH750 and LM3. Yes, there is compression there. It's part of the sound...like it or not. The Genz Shuttle amps are much tighter in the lows and have a lot of complex power management which as a non-engineer, I don't need to know about. That's why I pay a company to make me an amp! Genz reacted and made the Streamliner with HUGE bass, and then everyone moaned it was too much. Both work if you use the EQ.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1383333600' post='2263372'] Crikey - the Aggie is £650 [/quote] Ay, the Aggie gear has JUMPED in prices recently. I'm not impressed....puts them out of reach and into a different market. I paid £640 ish for a brand new DB212 a couple of years back, now they are £900+. There is just no need. I think its because they now have a UK importer which means yet someone else needs to make profit. I still love their gear but prices are going crazy.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1383302950' post='2262784'] Could I ask a question. You say in point 2 that the amp sounds "quite a lot like a modern version of an Ampeg SVT through a sealed 8x10". Is that when you're putting the TC amp through a sealed 8x10 or a ported 8x10 (or something else)? I'm not knocking the TC amps, as I've never owned one. I've heard mixed things about how they sound, with some folk loving them & other's not. Most users say that they're plenty loud enough too & they do look pretty cool with plenty of features. [/quote] To be honest, it's like that with most cabs I've played it through. The lows are tight, the emphasis in on the meat of the mids which is where you get you cut in the mix It definitely DOESN'T sound nasally in mids, just present. One more thing, the DI on this amp is stunning. Like, really really good! As is the headphone amp built in.

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1383300126' post='2262718'] Have they changed things recently? TC were using 'sounds like' wattage figures, rather than the 236w rms both the 450 and 750 actually put out. [/quote] The modules are actually rated at the 450/750 though.

I owned the RH450 for a few years, then upgraded to the 750 and I still own it. Here are a few myth busters on this amp: - 1. The RH450 is louder than a Markbass 500W amp. You can CRANK the gain and master and it will not, repeat not, clip. The Markbass amps will simply clip and sound horrible once you push them past a certain point. At 1 o'clock on the master on a Markbass LM3, you are reaching its max volume. I'm also tempted to say it was louder than the Genz Shuttle 9.0 I tried. - 2. There is an inbuilt HPF and LPF on the RH450. This means it will sound quite a lot like a modern version of an Ampeg SVT through a sealed 8x10. Eg, lots of low mid push, great for the mix. The RH450 does have slightly muted treble, but thats the sound of that amp. This was then changed in the RH750, which still has the HPF, but the treble is much more extended to sparkly and bright, and you can adjust it properly. As BOTH amps have a HPF, the bass is basically not as extended as some amps. Genz do a very similar thing. - 3. They both have the relevant poweramp module, but the module is essentially 'limited'. This is difficult to explain. The TC website has a document on this. TC have a history of innovation, (Toneprint, Polytune) so to them, this is their interpretation of a warm 'tube like' clear bass amp, with everything you need in one package. - 4. The 'featues' work properly. The tuner is great, the EQ is great, the presets are great, the form factor is great. The tone is fabulous, and the volume on both amps is nothing to ever worry about. At all. - 5. The tone is basically a fairly warm/clear take on a vintage tone. The RH750 will get you into modern territory with the treble. TC wanted an amp that emulates a big tube amp pushed, and this will do that....it has the compression of the tube amp being pushed built into the sound. I've played a lot of the modern amps, and a fair few full tube amps, and this one does it very well. It isn't for everyone, but then again what is? For example, the Aguilar TH500 has much more bass, very similar thick chewy mids, and again, muted highs, but you cannot dial those highs in on the TH500...whereas you can on the RH750. To finish on the volume/wattage, the amusing thing is, when the RH450 came out, everyone raved and said they thought it sounded and pushed better than their Markbass 500W amps or Genz 600W amps. This went on for some years. Then the amp got reviewed and TC's 'Bass Gear Mag rated wattage' came out, and everyone suddenly believed it would be a quiet amp. This is in essence advice saying use your ears. It is loud, but tone is subjective.

[quote name='risingson' timestamp='1383255858' post='2262347'] There's nothing to be snobbish about until you've played one. Presumably you don't have a problem owning any of the tablets or computers on the market right now? Got a MacBook? I'm looking forward to challenging the QC perception with the new Starcaster. Increasingly it means little if nothing at all, I'll own both American made and Chinese made basses so I'll be able to make an informed decision hopefully! We'll see. [/quote] Or an amp made in Taiwan

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1383235981' post='2261964'] I think it looks ridiculous myself. Cant see why they are liked so much, maybe I'm not of that "age" [/quote] Age?!! Haha. It has nothing to do with age, but the trend is indie bands at the moment...hipsters everywhere. I really like it.

I've been practicing on 5ers for some time but not gigged with them. I finally rehearsed with some guys I've been getting together and I took the Big Al 5. The string spacing is exactly the same as a Stingray 5/Sterling 5. I've got used to it. The thing is, playing with one guitarist who is very much a Johnny Marr type player, and uses a Roadworn Strat from time to time, the lower notes really thickened things up. He chimes away quite far up the neck and the bass really needs to fill that gap, and a 5er did it very well, plus it actually allowed me to make up more interesting bass lines. I now think any type of band can benefit from a 5 string...even original indie/mod stuff that doesn't usually have it.

Have you seen the Shuttle 2x10 cabs for sale? They are on offer at the moment, (the series two versions). If you want a well rounded, warm, clear and punchy cab, and you don't want to spend £600 on one cab, the TC RS210 is a great compact cabinet.

I think going from a pretty well regarded 2x12 which is fairly clear, although still voiced for bass guitar, to Ashdown, or indeed Vanderkley to Ashdown, you might lose some definition and clarity. The hi mid tone will just be Vanderkley's voicing of their cabs. A lot of hi mid can in a sense make a cab seems very clear/unforgiving as the detail comes through.

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1383209019' post='2261461'] What will happen to the Genz Benz 3 year warrenties, and who do you contact? [/quote] Fender UK or indeed PM the guys on Talkbass who are/were Genz.

I'd check the other prices GAK have on the blow out GB gear (hint...a few deals coming up).

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1383049414' post='2259471'] hmmm [url="http://www.rareelectricguitar.com/Fodera-Victor-Wooten-Yin-Yang-Standard-4-String-sale_893.html"]http://www.rareelect...g-sale_893.html[/url] [/quote] I would LOVE to compare this to the real thing. Wouldn't it be amusing if there was barely any difference...I doubt that...but...

Class!

The only problem with this route is that its going to end up being very expensive! You may as well stick to the rig you like and DI, then let PA deal with that for you, and have it coming through PA monitors to provide both tones! The reason the Genz is rolling off the deep lows (high pass filter), is that you really don't need that huge low end on stage...plus it also protects your speakers from huge sub bass coming through. Genz voicing on the GBE/Shuttles etc is more of tight, punchy defined low end. Much easier to use on stage IMO.