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[url="http://www.dv247.com/guitars/ashdown-lb-212-bass-amp-cabinet--73744"]http://www.dv247.com/guitars/ashdown-lb-21...-cabinet--73744[/url] £382! Downside....200W Handling Designed more for the low wattage LB Amp.

Where do I pay?

Wow..thats cheap!

Strangely, TC have no reports of problems with mixing drivers. Not only that, most of their Artists use the RS210+212. I asked Uffe himself, the chap who was behind the whole RH450 idea, and he said they designed them so they could be mixed. I dont care about mixing anyway, I use a 4x10 with a 1x15 purely because it sounds amazing.

[quote name='bumnote' post='888823' date='Jul 7 2010, 06:59 PM']There are a couple of sites with quite extensive information on Fender paints. They claim that from 63 onwards nearly all fenders were primed with a polyester finish called fullerplast. I lifted these comments from one of the sites Quote Fact: The two-part catalyzed coating named "Fullerplast" (Fuller for Fuller O'Brien, the products creator, and plast for the obvious PLASTIC"), solved all of Fenders finishing problems; encasing the deep wood pores in a self-hardening plastic that wrapped the body in a rock-hard solid coffin. In some cases we have found it to be as thick as a.060 string. Yes, all of the wood moisture and characteristics are sealed in a virtual time-capsule, only to be vented from the body through screw holes and paint fractures. Share this info and be the hit of your next guitar gathering! Fact: Fender rarely mentions Fullerplast, or the way it prepares its bodies before applying Lacquer. If they mention it at all So, when someone tells you that a Fender "nitro-cellulose" or "nitro" finished guitar will sound better, have more warmth, or will dry out... they really don't have the full story. End quote It is also claimed that from the 60s onwards acrylic paints became more popular, and Fender used paints from different suppliers, some were nitrocellulose, some were acrylic. I have no idea how true these statements are.[/quote] Interesting!

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='888226' date='Jul 7 2010, 11:28 AM']I still think the HW-ones are better value if you dont want MIM. And the pups are (i think) USA vintage. Heres a thought Gareth. If you do like the RW look send me one of your new SR4s when you get them and ill customize it for you and give it that RW look lol.[/quote] I didnt realise how much cheaper the HW's are! Why dont people see the HW's as a good instrument? I dont understand... [quote name='artisan' post='888244' date='Jul 7 2010, 11:49 AM']i strongly disagree with with this,having owned a 60's classic & a RW,they may be made out of some of the same parts but it's how they are put together that makes the difference. the 60's classic just feels,plays & sounds like any modern poly finished jazz bass whereas the RW feels,plays & sounds like an old vintage well played jazz bass--THEY ARE WORLDS APPART .[/quote] Dont get me wrong, the Road Worn Jazz I played did have a nice tone and the neck was great (although I think there was an issue with the neck being very heavy and the body being pretty damn light so it felt odd). I asked Fender UK and USA what was 'in' the RW series to make them get the rave reviews. They said basically the only difference is the fact the nitro does attribute to a slightly different tone (although the Highway Ones are nitro) but the main reason they are the same price as USA standards is the fact that some players prefer the relic-look, and it takes them quite a while to get it right, hence higher costs. I asked about Pups, and they said there has been confusion over this. They are standard Mex pups. Nothing wrong with that, but if im honest my American Standard sounds fantastic and was cheaper than some places are charging for a RW, and it comes with the new upgrades/a very very nice hardcase. I dont want to see like im attacking the RWs one bit. They are great, and I like the whole relic thing, but I expected a US pup at least. The one thing I noticed is that the output of the pups were a little low, again this is maybe more in line with a 60s bass although they are just 60s Classic pups with a relic on the surface. The Lakland JO I tried next to it sounded pretty huge compared to it. I still want one, but I think its pointless for me to get one when Ive got the American Standard. Im going to look into other options for now.

Dont worry, the RS210 and RS212 TOGETHER will absolutely bury the 4x10 youve got. The RS cabinets are very loud IMO. I play in a LOUD melodic skate ounk band and we have no worries practicing with ONE RS210. The RS210 is that little bit easier to move which is great.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='888073' date='Jul 7 2010, 08:18 AM']How light are we talking for the bass that you tried out?[/quote] I guess it was under the 9lbs mark...gut feeling around 8. What I didn't understand is that the neck, when I was sat testing, seemed heavier. I couldn't test with a strap so no idea if there was any dive, but I've never encountered that before.

[quote name='LawrenceH' post='887870' date='Jul 6 2010, 10:34 PM']This has been puzzling me. Why don't people rave about the Classic 60s then? I find it hard to believe the finish makes such a massive difference. Do you think they are picking the better tonewoods for the Classic 60s, or better QC, or are the Classic 60s seriously underrated?[/quote] Exactly my thoughts....I've never played a Classic 60s but Fender confirmed it's exactly the same bar the, IMO, great colours and finish. It's a lot to pay though. My girlfriend thinks I'm better off with my American Standards.

It would probably work but you'd be best matching with another TC cabinet if I'm honest. Another RS212 would be thunderous, or an RS210 for a sweeter puncture high end.

I'm going to shelve the idea for a while. The RW is a nice bass, but I've confirmed with Fender UK and USA that it's exactly the same as the MIM 60s bass, except the appearance. The extra cash is for the relic/paint. All parts are Mexican including the pickups. That's not knocking em, but I'm going to think about it a little more.

Awesome bass player. Definitely a massive influence on recent techniques/styles ive been learning. Great old school tone.

[quote name='tredders' post='887222' date='Jul 6 2010, 12:59 PM']I love the BG! Great neck, well put together and well setup straight out of the box (although I have to say that it seems as though there are a number of people on here unhappy with the quality of their Laklands). Mine has the Hanson pup in it, and sounds and feels just like a great Precision. Sure, it's not as "nice" as one of the two "real" vintage P's, but equally it was a fraction of their cost! With the exception of the 2 Fenders in the pics, it's the best P bass I've owned - better than a '77 I owned years ago, & better than a '98 US P I sold on here last year. I've not played one of the new 2010 Fender P's, but have only read great things about them, but I've owned and played some right dogs in my time. The BG just seems comfortable, familiar and consistent (although other peoples experiences differ).[/quote] I personally love the whole look of Laklands, I just think I was very unlucky to get ex demo dogs when I tried to buy one. Saying that, Ive tried 1 or 2 modern Fenders that werent that nice. The other day I tested a RWorn Jazz and a Lakland Skyline JO4 and I cant decide which to get...both were great.

Cool! How does the Lakland compare to the Fenders youve owned/played?

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='886743' date='Jul 5 2010, 10:16 PM']The same as Tom (EssexBassCat) mentioned, the only thing I couldn't quite get my head around was the damage on the RW - Until I came up with the logical premise that it really didn't matter if the bass got chipped or scratched. A minor plus point in it's favour, but as you now know, how they play and sound just blows how they look out of the water, whether you like new and shiny like me, or not. [/quote] Strangely I don't mind it...I think it would be quite liberating not to worry about it dinging! I've always wanted a vintage or custom shop Fender and nearly all of them will have wear. The main thing is playability and tone. I suppose there will always be buyers for it on Basschat should I want to move it on.

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='886701' date='Jul 5 2010, 09:35 PM']Quite true, Gareth - You've really got to play a bass before you spend two grand on it [/quote] I definitely realised that haha. Thats the peril of mail order. But, with most the modern Fenders and definitely the EB basses, Im fine to test to see if I like them and the quality, then order one to my spec. If it turns up with problems then I guess it just gets swapped for another. Still thinking about the RW Jazz....Im really hoping it ticks all the boxes. It sounded great...just hoping Im making the right choice.

[quote name='allihts' post='885013' date='Jul 3 2010, 07:25 PM']NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!![/quote] I just realised they have new tuners designed for some EB basses, so I'm going to look back into the Big Al then. Not only that, I need to test one before I take the plunge.

Thats a damn good stage man, well done. The sound seems pretty decent actually, I can hear everything quite well. Im jealous as I havent gigged since Xmas and unfortunately it was a small club with rubbish sound.

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='885591' date='Jul 4 2010, 05:28 PM']This is how it sounded when it first resurfaced early last year... [/quote] Victor cracks me up....plus he is one amazing player. Sounds great.

TBH, Ive never heard good things about the Highway 1....I think its more the playability people complain about. Im not sure.