Al Krow

Agreed. Maybe not so counterintuitive once you've had a listen to the low note fundamentals (which I thought I'd better do, following the discussion above!) Low B string - fundamental Low E string - fundamental Low B string - first harmonic (i.e. one octave up from the low B) Low E string - first harmonic (i.e. one octave up = low E string on a 6 string guitar) (Recommend you use a decent pair of headphones).

@agedhorse if we bought one of these in the US for $999 and got it shipped over to the UK, would there be any issues with the different voltages or is there simple switch to cater for the difference in the UK and US current / voltage i.e. can a US model be easily used in the UK?

Indeed there is - which I'll have to 'fess got me thinking about F112's seriously for the first time as this FS ad coincided with me thinking about upgrading my BF SC. But now I've seen just how handsome the F112 looks in black with a black grille (as pictured in the OP), I'd personally find it hard to go for another finish, so I'm resigned to stumping up the extra 15% for a new one. But even then, a new F112 would still be a nearly £100 saving on the BF BB2 (which is an eye watering £894 with silver cloth & cover). They're both beaten on value terms by the VK 112MNT, which is further £85 cheaper.

I've just heard from a Swedish bassist that the guy making TKS cabs has stopped production due to ill health. Is this old news? If the TKS 1126 is no longer being made, that's a real shame. @funkle you mentioned needing bags of power to get the most out of the Fearless and an adjustable HPF for some scenarios. It seems to me that Mesa's WD-800 could be a match made in heaven for the F112...

@funkle great post! Thanks.

I've got Alnicos in my Yammys and also like them a lot. Seems to be a bit of a pattern with views being expressed on the Berg Delanos. I like fretmeister's description of them being a little 'hi fi' in the mids. A nicer description than my 'tame / polite / civilised' , but I suspect conveying exactly the same point. Up to folk to take from that what they will!

John Deacon liked sunburst?! Well if it's good enough for him... 😄 Congrats on the new basses.

40 Hz isn't really that low. It's just below the fundamental on the open E string. 31 Hz is the open B string fundamental. 20 Hz to 30 Hz is super low dub territory. < 20 Hz is sub audio crud which should IMO be given a good thumpinatoring.

Kind of you to say - haha! I know what you mean about spending > £1k on a bass and finding that you need to spend another £300 on replacement pups. Totally with you on that one. Maybe the angle is to get a used Berg for around the £750 mark and then swap the pups round? Just a thought. And, like you, I'd be interested to hear a bit more about these coveted Black Label pups - @fretmeister could we ask you to have a go at describing the key differences in sound between the Delanos and the Black Labels please?

I've been thinking about a possible upgrade of my BF SC recently and seem to have narrowed down my shortlist to the Fearless 112 and Barefaced BB2 (and very possibly also the TKS 1126). @jrixn1 mentioned some excellent comparisons done across the pond, and this thread in particular caught my eye, which I'm sharing in case it's of interest to others: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/comparing-f112-bb2.1245612/ If any BC'ers have also had the good fortune to have owned both, then please of course also feel free to add your thoughts to this thread. And I'll have to admit, although it's a very shallow point, I can't get away from just how good that Fearless cab looks in black with that particular option grille!

@dave_bass5 Just spotted this old recording we did 18 months ago. Played on a TM4 with Delano pups. There's just one comment on the YouTube video from the public - which completely undermines what I've being saying about Delanos! Lol!

Hah - where were you when I needed you with that comment? How would you describe the key differences in sound between the Black Labels and Delanos?

If they're Delanos I did find them a bit 'tame' / polite / civilised ...that plus 2 band rather than 3 band EQ (although that won't be an issue for you as you're a passive guy). The bass was otherwise just lovely.

I've had one before and in my experience it was. I think we could expect it to be because the LNT is voiced to go lower (40Hz vs 45Hz). Noted re the volume, which is a good point, thanks. I suspect the combination (if I did ever end up with using them both) would be with the MNT being used as a stage monitor for me and the band, where the lower volume would make sense. In practice I can't currently really ever see myself needing any more output for the audience than the single 4ohm LNT will be able to produce alone - e.g. it can handle the full 900W from my DG amp.

So picking up where I left off a few months back, I didn't in the end go for the VK 115 for the various reasons set out earlier in this thread, in particular the preference for matching cone sizes by most folk who were 'in the know'. I've recently been offered the possibility of adding a VK210 MNT 8ohm / 600W to my VK210 LNT 4ohm / 1200W The MNT (voiced 45Hz to 16kHz) is a bit lighter and a little brighter sounding than the LNT (voiced 40Hz to 16kHz) I suspect, however, not quite the same amount of difference as between the SM / SC cabs that Chris is using. Dimensions => permit them to be stacked (or used apart) If I've done the math correctly, then when daisy chained together: the combined ohm will 2.67 ohms. but also that 2/3 of the amp power should flow to the the 4 ohm LNT and 1/3 to the 8 ohm MNT, which is exactly the right ratio given their different power handling capacity => use the MNT for rehearsals and pub gigs - where portability will be valued by me (I guess, ideally I'd probably like a BF BB2, given how light these cabs are, but they just don't appear to be coming up used and new ones are around £894 these days including a cover & P&P for the silver cloth version, which seems extravagant for a rehearsal / pub gig cab) => use the LNT for functions => put them together when the Wembley** gig eventually happens Any flaws in the thinking above? **that's the Jubilee Underground Station rather than the Stadium btw.

Broughton - High Pass Filter DI https://www.broughtonaudio.com/product-page/high-pass-filter-di Available from May. The variable high pass filter ranges from 25 to 190 Hz with a slope of 12 dB/octave. Has an additional fixed filter is set at 25 Hz at 12 dB/octave to remove subsonic crud => so this effectively becomes a "Thumpinator Plus" pedal in what it delivers Not cheap at $170 in the US = £170 ish over here

No, seriously. It literally is 😂

Yes you're running at 1/4 Trav. Whereas I'm on a full Trav tank.

One is infinitely more than none.

Carol Kaye?

Bless you both and thank gawd for that! Your hearing loss is my gain: otherwise I'd potentially have no market for my SC when I wanted to move it on, would I? 😁

+1 ^^ Paul beat me to the draw (...again. Which is probably why I tend to buy his used gear and not the other way around 😁)

In case you ever get asked this again from a numpty like me, I've just had this from @51m0n on another thread, which is an excellent little summary of transients:

Newton was a genius not 'cos he got it perfectly right (he didn't) but because he, together with some of his contempories, took things a long forward from what was around them at the time. In the context of rock n roll, the Beatles did exactly the same and McCartney was part of one of the most creative song writing partnerships ever.

@51m0n that's a very good explanation thanks! It also explains the relatively "dull" timbre I'm hearing from my BF SC (no tweeter and f-response cap of 4kHz) with some of my basses, and why the BB2 could well be my lightweight one cab solution to that issue for me (although I know some have achieved a similarly good result with BF SC + BF SM cabs combined).