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@Dad3353, @Woodinblack etc. People's comments on the offtopicness notwithstanding, I've now been able to listen to that Bailey vid with the dancer that @Leonard Smalls posted. Worthless shïte! Anybody can do that! He's taking the Mickey! 😁 Seriously: I can hear absolutely nothing of value to me here, except maybe the obvious shamisen reference. It's also not the Derek Bailey as I remember him from 35 or 40 years ago, if that makes sense. My point remains: a Yes album you don't like is not necessarily without value. A Bach fugue you don't like is not necessarily a worthless composition. Etc. etc. Only blues music is worthless. 😁

@Woodinblack, my beef is not with some saying Bailey has no value TO THEM. My beef is with people saying he has no value full stop. An average Swedish "dansband" musician (simplistic three-chord music, IMHO without any redeeming originality) stating that Bach has no value whatsoever is very different to the same musician saying he doesn't like Bach, or that Bach doesn't give him anything. I guess in this, we're on the same side.

My guess is there is no link. At least in my days, he was famously wary of playing other stuff in front of audiences or microphones. But in a room with a few other musicians, he'd do it. As to the "better", I was tired and sleepy, and couldn't find a better word. See my post about pyramids above. Just because one doesn't like something, that something isn't necessarily below one's own level. Picasso's another good example. No, not everyone "can do that". People not being able to discern between a kid's drawing and Picasso think so, but they're wrong. They basically are unable and unaware (Dunning-Kruger effect), and deem themselves "better" in that they are smart and see through the smokescreen. Nope. They're unable, and they are arrogant. Not that they can be blamed for this.

Thanks for responding, Dad. I have no problem at all with "it's not for me" attitudes and posts. I do admittedly have a problem with "anybody can do this" and "taking the mickey" attitudes and posts. Some time ago, I relayed how both B.B. King and a famous Norse traditional folk musician expressed basically the same story: when their fans asked them what they themselves were inspired by, and they answered faithfully, those fans would respond: "What? That's not blues/tradfolk!". They both told the interviewer: "but it is! It's just more demanding, and it doesn't inspire the people who listen to me, but it does inspire me." IOW here as in other segments of life, there are pyramids, if you will, in understanding and being inspired by etc, and B.B. King and that Norseman both reckoned there were people they could learn something from within the styles they themselves were famous for, but whose music would be a bit demanding for their own fans. To me this sounds not only reasonable but obvious. I for one am not inspired by Riemann setting up a few hypotheses. I was inspired by my secondary school math teacher. No way though I'll ever say that anybody can do what Riemann did, and that he was taking the mickey. BTW, people did exactly the latter when Einstein proposed his stuff. BTW, my laptop still only gives me sound maybe once every 20 days, so I've not heard the youtube vids posted earlier. Maybe I'd agree he's taking the mickey in one of those. Can't imagine it though. I believe Bailey was a very serious person - to the degree that being together with him wasn't that much fun.

@Dad3353 and others, I don't know how serious people's comments on Derek Bailey are, but just in case: Bailey famously could play any style a lot better than almost anyone. I've heard him do some of it. He was a monster. It just so happened that he preferred playing his style. He knew exactly what he was doing, and taking the mickey was not part of it. He was also able to hear people play, also within his often ridiculed style, and on the spot analyse what they'd done and exactly how that was weak or strong. I've never met anyone as capable as he was, and I've met dozens of the very best musicians on the planet. You may not like what he did, but I guarantee you that's not because you're somehow "better" or "more musical" than he was. There are many mediocre people on this planet. Bailey was not one. Rant over.

Yeah, but you played differently before. It's only after you played the C64 that extra strong homeopathic bits of CS were transferred to you. 😉

Yes, but I did like understanding it in "Norwegian": Faen Faen Faen auf der Autobahn. (in Norse, Faen is the devil, and it's pronounced "fahn")

Thanks, visog. I was just kidding, picking up and continuing what you'd said: what do they call the guy with the bucket head? IOW what do they call Brian Patrick Carroll when he's performing with a bucket head? Very hard to find out, is my experience. 😁 😂

That gave me something to do whilst suffering through a presidential debate and a multitude of analyses. Sadly, 14 hours of googling and duckducking gave no results whatsoever. Still left wondering what they call the guy with the bucket head. Sigh. 😉

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This must be spam. This is an old thread, so I guess the honoured new member did a text search just for spamming us.

Welcome back, Shep! Our Helical Mind is still always with me and my iPod. Still love it. best, bert

Ha. I loved them, their ergonomics, their 4-band, and their colours (a.o. the original Dargie Delight and the second Dargie Delight), but the Rays had a bigger impact on me. Here's a pic of your Ray showing its wood inside the blue. Not the very bestest piece of wood ever, but I liked it in total.

Aye. It's stunning indeed, and as you say much better in person. It's also one of only two basses that I miss of the 16 that I let go - the other one being a '98 StingRay 5 fretless - that too an instrument that starts playing the moment you just look at it. Edit to add I let three or four Bongos go too, and thought it would be very, very hard. Never missed those. Strange how these things go.

It's big and heavy too. I think the BC hive mind just solved your car quest. Not a diesel either. Bliss.

Reminds me of the old adage I invented this morning: Cage was never a good composer, but he was an important composer. Oh, and he did have humour.

Yes, and very much so. Not that the lessons weren't crap or the teachers weren't extremely disparaging of music that wasn't classical music. Not that the lessons weren't boring to 99.99% of pupils. It's just that I happened to be that one weird pupil all the info was adapted to, and I sucked it in. Still hated every single music teacher though, especially the first one, the one who taught us notes and how to play a recorder. In '63 or so, my buddy Wim played two wrong notes in a row, and that teacher unceremoniously, with a flat hand, slapped him in the face. I shouted "a-hole!", and much to my surprise wasn't slapped, but only sent to the corner, to stand there with my face to the walls. At that point I knew that the teacher was afraid of the consequences of his actions. Modern times had arrived.

😂 Thanks to Officah Skiddah, we now know where the Peavey went. Well done!

Yeah, and with it came great bands like Kraut Deep Fried Fatties Freundschaft.

Yup, but I don't frequent it. My modular days were really 40 years ago, and recent plans for a modular didn't materialise. Love Gouda, much like T-Bay. Played the organ in the St Janskerk several times. Also still remember the smell from the Nederlandsche Oliefabrieken when I stayed in Delft. Peanut butter! Anyway, enjoy the stay!

Ha. I recognise that. In my case, I needed to see a vid with them, and experience the fun. Then the penny dropped. Love since.

You're kidding me. Etten-Leur is "my" municipality. Honest, guv. (Though I'd already left for Norway in '84, and only visit the place to see my mother.) Er... As you were! 🙂

Wot? Breda? I'd forgotten that bit. Near Breda is where I stem from. We're brothers! Were you the guy overtaking in the rightmost lane in March '91?

Hoi Hans. Welkom van 'n andere (modulaire) synth-speler... achtig. 't Is hier echt wel heel leukigjes. Geniet ervan, jochie. doei, bert

Nah. Me too, and I'm an organ player by birth. That said, whilst, like you, I often miss "something", this doesn't go for a singer accompanied by just an acoustic guitar. So I guess it's all about what we're used to. And that's from someone who loves bass, and loves the 32ft and 16ft stops on the organ (normally played on the pedals, and sounding two and one octaves below the 'regular' 8ft). BTW, I can't abide women's choirs most of the time, but can always abide men's choirs.