True, I could jump into every Hartke thread and shout loudly about how the Kilo ( their flagship amp) I recieved the day after they launched here, crapped out after less than 8hrs use, and the following 3 months of smoke and mirrors and utter horses**t from Korg UK (their distributor at the time) but I let it go, it was resolved in the end, I wouldn't pass water on Hartke if they were on fire again but I know plenty here swear by them and good luck to them all.