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[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336744543' post='1650352'] I am always chilled out thanks, it's not leg pulling when you stoop to using that sort of insult towards anybody. Instead of me chilling I would suggest that you withdraw your remarks & offer an apology. [i][b]Even[/b][/i] on a internet forum there is a line between derogatory name calling & 'leg pulling', which I feel you have overstepped. If you [i]really[/i] don't understand my comment, it's because you don't seem to understand that what the seller in question seems to be doing - adding logos to basses (at least) & selling them as something they are not, is illegal, not good for the industry & not good for the 'straight' guitar buying public. [/quote] I'm sorry i hurt your feelings and I disagree with you. Now let's move on.

[quote name='dannybuoy' timestamp='1336741767' post='1650293'] That one does have the Fender logo though, which are supposedly rarer than yours with the Squier logo. See one (or a pair) for sale here for £1200 also: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/174713-feeler-pair-of-1st-series-jv-basses-pj-rare/page__hl__jv%20jazz%20precision"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/174713-feeler-pair-of-1st-series-jv-basses-pj-rare/page__hl__jv%20jazz%20precision[/url] [/quote] I didn't notice that. Yes that does change the goalpost slightly.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336741060' post='1650273'] Excuse me - who exactly are you directing your childish but nasty comments at? To repeat - you really don't understand do you? [/quote] I thought you'd bite, chill out I'm pulling your leg. In response to your "don't understand" comment I have asked you to enlighten me but you failed to respond.

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1336739209' post='1650242'] If that JV sells for that I shall eat my pants. [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-SQUIER-EARLY-JV-SERIES-82-PRECISION-EARLY-H-STCK-LOGO-100-ORIGINAL-CASED-/251057190730?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3a742cb74a"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3a742cb74a[/url] Edit: and the scratchplate does not look original to me - it's too red and only 3 ply Mine is browner and 4 ply and i know mines original coz[i] I bought it new.[/i] [/quote] I know what you are saying. Thus guy has been flagged on here before. I think he sticks them up in the hope some mug will fall for his spin. It's a nice guitar but probably not £1200 nice.

[quote name='lone_groover' timestamp='1336568136' post='1647614'] [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fender-Squier-Precision-Bass-Guitar-/180876833319?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2a1d197227"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2a1d197227[/url] It doesn't say Squier on the headstock and the serial number isn't one I can find on the Fender dating database - it looks like D180766 to me. Any ideas whether this is a bargain or one to stay well clear of? Thanks for any help. Cheers - Nick [/quote] This was the original question, then some paranoid lunatic got it in his head that there was a master scammer on the lose and wanted to call the cops or tell the teacher until he finally got the picture but at this stage he couldn't back down in fear of losing face so the subject kept changing to suit his stance. Then other dudes got involved depending on what was happening and the original point got lost Along the way. So I think a fair answer to the original post is-- If you think this is an original fender misadvertised as a squier by mistake for some reason and you think it is a bargain to be had, then don't buy it. However if you think this is a squier with mods and you are into that type of thing, then it's probably not the best value guitar out there but it definitely not a bad buy. So in short this is a modified squier not an original fender. Now that you have all the info please feel free to proceed how you desire and if anyone here wants to judge you that's their problem. I personally feel that a good quality squier should wear the fender badge with pride. Amen.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1336669149' post='1649280'] Probably only relatively surprised. [/quote] Indeed.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1336666892' post='1649230'] Never owned one here. [/quote] I'm very surprised.

[quote name='Ou7shined' timestamp='1336658928' post='1649055'] Hang on man. Neepheid (a self confessed Gibson addict) was simply responding to your claim that most of us have had a Fender badged Squier at some point and that it is accepted as normal practice. To be fair this is a pretty wild assumption, if only for the following reasons... firstly it's not true ... and secondly because contrary to what some would have us believe, a vast amount of bass players don't even care about Fenders, let alone be so indoctrinated into the cult as to have to fake one up so "our public" thinks we are playing one when we are not. Chili-chill-chill [/quote] You have a very calming affect outshined. Trust me I'm chilled. Everything I wrote was a bit tongue in cheek. Obviously not everyone has owned a decal modded squier. But it is commonplace and I honestly think that it is not a big deal. I am amazed that people think it is. I do think calling me a "dick" for having a bit of banter is a bit strong. Nonetheless if that's how people want to conduct themselves that's their choice. So no problem here mate thank you for pointing this out to me.

[quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1336656717' post='1649003'] Oh please, give it a rest already [/quote] Agreed. I couldn't help myself.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336653141' post='1648930'] Shouldn't you be at school? [/quote] ?

Anth and I completed a successful trade today. It went very smooth. He is a decent bloke fear not and trade with confidence.

You're the one whos on the high horse buddy. Quoting me insinuating that I'm somehow inferior, and suggesting I save my pennies. I'm not being a dick. If you don't own a fender then why do you even give a crap. I think you're out of line. I think you should apologise for calling me a dick. I think you are very mean.

That shouldn't be allowed. He's trying to pass it off as a real fender. Does he think we are all mugs. I mean we all know it's not a real fender but some other person who is not an expert like us might be duped into buying it thinking he's getting the real deal. We should report him.

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1336646844' post='1648797'] Picking up on the implication that we're somehow all at it (the accepted norm?) - I have only ever applied logos to two basses. One was a Hagstrom that I was restoring - it was a genuine Hagstrom and so I put a Hagstrom logo on it. The other was a Squier Precision. I modded it up and I wanted to have a laugh so I had a Fecker Imprecision Bass logo made in the late 70s style and applied that. I interpret the phrase "decal job squier" to mean one with a Fender logo applied to it and therefore I reject your hypothesis. I have never misrepresented the origins of a bass into something that could be used fraudulently at a later stage and I never will. I fundamentally disagree with the practice. If you want a Fender, if you need to have that "prestige", then buy a bloody Fender. If you can't afford a Fender, then save up your pennies. But passing off a Squier (or whatever) as a Fender (which is what you're doing, regardless of whether or not you're upfront about it) isn't the way forward. In my humble opinion, of course. Seems to be mostly a Fender problem. Should have used MOP inlays in black headstocks [/quote] You are going straight to heaven buddy and when you get there Leo himself will present you with a guitar whittled from Jacos heavenly sh1t and strung from Phil lynotts Afro, but until that day you're just some dude I disagree with who owns a fender. Wow.

[quote name='TheButler' timestamp='1336602707' post='1648430'] Would these breach eBay's copyright or replica rules? It is a bit of a strange one, he is being [i]up front[/i] enough. He is also fully aware that a majority of folks just want something that looks like a Fender, how 'wrong' this is, is entirely subjective. The problem comes, as people have already said, when it is sold on... as a Fender. If you can't sell something that looks like a Rickenbacker, even though you never even use the word to describe it, I can't see how this act is so different? [/quote] But squier basses are fender budget productions to the best of my knowledge there is no Ricky budget equivalent. If someone stuck a fender decal on a westone or a vintage or some other non fender related product I think that might be considered naughty, but fender logos on squier guitars is alright in my book.

This is like school.

Shilling is sneaky. I'm sorry I'm not with it today. Fuzzy wuzzy. LOL

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1336588268' post='1648099'] http://basschat.co.uk/topic/175275-deals-outside-of-ebay/ Not on that thread it's not [/quote] You've lost me mate. Pm me if there's something I need to know.

[quote name='Ou7shined' timestamp='1336585110' post='1648017'] I don't care what he's doing with these Squiers per se but he isn't exactly squeaky clean folks ... I've spotted a bit of nefarious selling/buying activity - namely a size 10 lady with a penchant for spray tan and hair extensions who likes to buy Squire basses off him every now and then (two in one day once) and leave glowing feedback.... ... Maybe she puts Squier decals on them and sells them back to ebay. [/quote] Ahh , the penny has dropped I see what you are saying now. Now that is naughty.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336585527' post='1648033'] [color=#0000ff]My original reply to this thread was made with the intention [/color][color="#0000ff"]to notify the OP of the probable dubious nature of the bass in question but looking a little deeper I seem to have opened a can of worms.[/color] [/quote] Lol. This is brilliant and it's free. Thank you basschat.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1336584795' post='1648003'] Would you expect Thomanns to show you the EXACT bass going into the fictional Shopping basket. As long as he is not representing them like using a picture of a good one and selling something that looks like it's been through a cement mixer. wheres the harm in using pictures of an identical bass. Lets face it how many of us could tell the difference between one unmarked Affinity and another? [/quote] There's a big market for the cement mixer look.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336583577' post='1647976'] Completely different scenario, show me one of the basses you're talking about - with duplicated serial numbers & being offered on ebay as something they're not, let alone using the same photo's & description to sell 'the same bass' several times over! [/quote] That's not what he's doing, I think you are the one who "really doesn't understand". The guy is modding guitars and flogging them. It's no big deal. He's not pretending they are anything else other than squiers with mods. He's not selling the same guitar over and over again, they are all different. I really don't know what your problem is. These guitars are nice. He does a good job. More power to him.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336581241' post='1647934'] You really don't understand do you? [/quote] Enlighten me oh wise one.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1336580329' post='1647909'] What planet are you from? There's only one *Norm* around here & he plays a Gold jazz mostly What more can he do? How about go to prison for flooding the market with FAKES! [/quote] Are you a cop? Not everyone can afford a gold jazz, also it's very few people can pimp a squier to make it look like something they aspire to own. This guy fills a gap in the market. I've done the maths on a few of his conversions and he isn't making any money here, and youd be hard pushed to mod the squier any cheaper yourself. What planet am I from? Really? Come on now let's not loose the run of ourselves here.

I'd buy a guitar off him.