stingrayPete1977

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1477242694' post='3160814'] How many hen nights would you expect the landlady to have? [/quote] Well if the whole pub went on hers including all the men by the sounds of it then they must alk be friends so every time anyone else that drinks there has an outing the whole pub will probably go again?

Anything electronic can fail and there's so much kit out there being used day in day out but you mainly only hear about the kit that fails on the tinternet.

Shame The Market Vaults in Stafford has music on every week and it's in the town centre so you can get foot fall unlike pubs like The Forresters. It's not very big at all and isnt the best payer but we've had some great nights there, I've played there with every band in Stafford over the years either in the band or as a dep I think! The Swan in Stafford is probably the best gig in town, they are outside and only during the summer but it takes some serious ass licking to get in the loop, again easiest way in is to get a dep gig there with someone else's band

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1477233800' post='3160728'] I did, we are a newish band trying to get onto the local circuit, so I sent out loads of emails direct or via their Facebook pages to pubs that have bands, obviously you don't know whether the pubs are going to be dedicated music pubs, or just have the occasional band until you actually get there, as it turned out, it's not the type of place we would want to play at if we had known what it was like in the first place, nice big stage though. [/quote] Could have been a good gig if it was full, they know how to party around there! Lol. The Stumble Inn in Cannock is more of a live band pub over that way, have you tried that one, nice easy lift into the stage area too.

They might have got a few more in if they'd updated their facebook page since september too? Pubs eh. I've put it on my avoid list and will tip off our guitarist that does the booking, we are doing a gig not far from there soon but it's a ticketed one so hopefully the punters won't all be in the Foresters instead

I know that pub, that was quite a trek for that type of gig, who booked it in the first place?

One drummer was actually called Mike too.

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1477135001' post='3160046'] Mine wasn't, I took it back. [/quote] Well you don't want to be strung along by an unscrupulous shop do you?

I'm sure my trombone playing would be much worse than your bass playing if that's any consolation?

Every band I've been in has had a drummer that sings either backing or lead vocals thinking about it so we've always had a Mic somewhere near the kit.

A lot of Red Hot Chili Peppers' blood sugar sex magik was recorded on a Wal and a Stingray 5 and I like all of that album and the bass sounds good to me, I've never made a tonal link to Status with them really.

Decent speakers by the looks of things.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477157266' post='3160257'] You dont say..........so thats what a PA system looks like. Who would have thought. [/quote] Some people were struggling with the description and kept saying they hadn't got room for a bigger pa even when told it was smaller, I had to resort to pictures to help out just like nursery school children have pictures in their books

It sounded a little bit 'boxy' to my ears, a cab used for monitoring would be better as a middy sounding one for me. If I was pushing them to gig volume I would expect to need a bigger cab anyway, of course I am not brave enough to say this in the amps and cabs section, we are a little more civilised in here as Roger's first hand experience post shows. As long as no one tells the BF massive outside of the DB section we should be OK

Ok here's a pic to help out. [url="http://s997.photobucket.com/user/stingraypete/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-07/20160723_123911_zpswq0nub9z.jpg.html"][/url] This is pair of RCF 735 active tops, in the bag is a digital mixer, all the XLR leads, all the power cables, bits and bobs. The long bag has two stands, a lighting rig with two LED par can lights, two LED pin spots, and even a music stand! The guitarist brings 2 DB opera 1x10 powered monitors. This replaced in one stroke; A Peavey powered PA mixer for FOH A Peavey power amp for subs A second powered mixer for passive mointors A crossover unit 2 old Peavey wedges 2 Peavey 1x12" passive tops 2 Peavey 1x2" passive subs Poles for tops when used with subs and regular stands for gigs without subs. A myriad of leads of various types, speakon leads, xlrs, phono to xlr, xlr to phono etc etc etc The fact the new smaller system sounds better and is louder when required, takes less time to set up and can be used in the same format for little pubs up to function rooms and wedding tents is a massive bonus. The drummers garage was full to the roof, he is now going to sell all that and buy a single 1x15 DB Opera monitor, thats it as you can imagine he is very happy. Inside the bag, all PAT tested and a laminated setup guide for each band I use it with including labelled and colour coded xlr leads, geek? me? [url="http://s997.photobucket.com/user/stingraypete/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-02/20160220_150135_zpsozgrbrov.jpg.html"][/url]

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1477153123' post='3160213'] Again, don't use a biscuit tin and mic it up. Have a tuned kick and mic it up. I said before - you could use a tiny kick and process it to sound huge. I think Pete's statement was [b]taken too much at face value[/b]. You can iron out some of the problems if you have the power in your desk. I don't see how Petes suggestion of two 15 tops at circa 20kg and say a XR18 could ever be classed as "big PA". It's portable with high SPL. Isn't that the best of both worlds? [/quote] On Basschat? never! Of course I have bought this "big" PA but been and borrowed a tin from my nan of Foxes' finest and taped it to the drummers leg!

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477152405' post='3160207'] Well, possibly, but at the size of venue we are talking about you would still hear the biscuit tin. Feel free to go on about big PA systems but it has already been pointed out that its neither practical or necessary in the situations we play in. [/quote] I can't explain again that it is not any bigger than most PA systems, as you were.

If we all stand back and remove our personal situations from this then this is where my head is at and the best suggestion for most folk looking to invest in new or newish used gear, the kit is as good as the people working it and can be used in many ways so ignor the ins and outs. Lets mark each typical setup out of 3 for the typical gigs most of us do before calling in the PA people, 1 for a really small pub 1 for a medium pub/function room 1 for a decent sized marquee or outdoor gig, not a beer festival just a small fete or similar with the crowd gathered around. TimR's sort of kit is fine, works well no doubt but can [b]only [/b]do a small gig, the 10" tops are going to run out of steam around the same time the unmic'd drummers leg falls off and with this setup the drum mic isnt an option regardless, again please don't think I am knocking the setup or its ability to work for the small gigs. It could be pushed into the slightly bigger pubs so I'll give it a bit for that too. so 1.3 out of 3 Dad's big old kit could possibly sound the best of all in the right hands, I don't doubt that for a minute but how many people live in a farm house in France to keep it all and have a spare Renault Traffic to get it all to the gig?, once at the gigs TimR's kit is suited for Dad ain't going to get the kit and the musicians or an audience in the pub, damn! It will of course do the bigger pubs and the larger gigs so 2 out 3. The full range tops and a digital desk is slightly bigger than the first option, possibly smaller cubic m once you take the desk and power amps away, it will do the smallest gigs and could be used just for vocals with a backline if you want no problem. It will be most at home in the next slot where you need a bit more oomph and the option to start mic'ing the bass and drums up towards the biggest function rooms. It can also do the marquee gigs no problem without the need for subs, I would think the outdoor ones with the big old school kit with the subs and a power amp or two would start to pay off but a single active 18" sub or a pair of 15" subs in reserve if you have room to store them would pull it back level with far less boxes to carry so I give that a score of 2.9 out of 3. Less kit to store and carry, FAR more options of control on the desk and the ability to save a mix for each venue ready for return gigs and the ability to cover every gig to a really good standard regardless of how you like to set it all up and what you do and don't mic up then for me I really can't see a better option for most people doing the rounds.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1477145754' post='3160138'] If the acoustic kit sounds poor, then good luck mic'ing that. Don't use a drummer who can't tune his kit. There is no reason for it. [/quote] I don't know where you lot are living? A biscuit tin through a decent digital desk could be moulded to sound better than many acoustic bass drums, failing that leave the kick at home and use a kick drum trigger from a used £50 electronic kit and choose your favourite kick drum sample from your record collection! We have a drummer that plays with all the bands in town, in one really small place he uses a Roland V drums kick drum but with a normal snare, hats and a single tom, sounds great and saves 2 foot of floor space.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477087395' post='3159861'] There's no way I'm lugging a 4x10 bass cab anywhere, ever. They sound terrible. I think (from your drawing) you have an[b] image stuck in your head.[/b] [/quote] [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477144037' post='3160129'] I use 2 2x10" stacked vertically so the bass is already at ear height. We don't need/have a fill monitor for the drummer. [/quote] So other than the stacking of the speakers and no drum fill my drawing was bang on then

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477138169' post='3160081'] I've had the same argument with drummers before - my bass drum needs to sound like "X", mic it up. We are a live band not a CD recording. You can't make something sound like something else. [/quote] Err you are the guy saying my views are stuck in the past right? Have you heard what a piece of crap kick drum sounds like live through a gate and compressor? Trust me it sounds like something else! I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you are doing differently to the illustrations above regarding backline, I suspect it's just what I've drawn but for different speaker sizes?

No one needs to be overly louder than anyone else, everything in the pa allows full control of the individual elements of the band, once you get to small pub level that needs constraint of the backline regardless of the size of the equipment. What bands did forty years ago is down to the equipment that was available then, it makes it no better and certainly no less heavy and awkward to setup or store for your typical pub band.

I prefer the Greenboy stuff to the Barefaced stuff from what I have heard, IMO the Crazy 8 is all over the one10, I would like to compare a Fearless f110 to the BF with the same amp and basses before parting with any money, that said the Fearless is more than twice the price!

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1477087968' post='3159866'] As well as the heavy flaked sparkles there was a range of more subtle ones, often burst colours such as blue dawn and Autumn Red burst - again quite rare but they do crop up. [/quote] I have a Blue Pearl SR5, it's a flat blue hanging on the wall right now, put it in the sun at a summer festival and it's a glitter ball!

Jeez that is terrible!