Pino Palladino Signature Stingray

[Supernaut]

28 minutes ago, Sibob said:

Personally I think the price is perfectly reasonable for what it is. Do I think it’s accessible to every player, of course not, do I think they’ve priced it towards Pino fans with a decent disposable income whose main hobby/business is ‘BASS’? Absolutely, especially at the quantity they’ve made.

 

Without having read about the release at all, I assume it’s 10 pieces of each of the fretless and fretted, if so, they’ll sell 10 of the fretless all day long at that price IMO. The only part I find odd is the fretted version. I get that more people buy fretted instruments, but it’s got nothing to do with Pino’s legacy on that particular instrument. Personally I’d probably have just made the fretless and increased it to 15 or 20 pieces worldwide. But what do I know 🙃.

 

I too found the mismatched body jarring, and it would be unforgivable at this price-point on any other bass. However, from an authenticity standpoint, it’s basically the same as relic’ing right?! You either love it or hate it 🙂

 

Si 

£6k for a bass is reasonable? 😂😂

[tegs07]

7 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

£6k for a bass is reasonable? 😂😂

For one of ten signed exact replicas for context. 

[Sibob]

28 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

£6k for a bass is reasonable? 😂😂

Well I was referring to the £3799 for a non-signed one (only just read up on what’s available). But let’s be honest, once ANYTHING is signed, what’s ‘reasonable’ goes out the window. If it sells, it’s reasonable to someone, which then somewhat validates the pricing…because then it’s simply about quantity.

Note: Just checked, the Icon series is sold out. Case rested.

 

Si

[Terry M.]

It's taking hero-worship too far in my world. I met Pino briefly once and he's a really cool guy and a monster player but I find it hard to accept the £6k price-tag just because of his association. He's human like the rest of us. Reasonable is not how I would describe that figure but to each their own I guess 😊

Edited 8 hours ago by Terry M.

[tegs07]

Just now, Terry M. said:

It's taking hero-worship too far in my world. I met Pino briefly once and he's a really cool guy and a monster player but I find it hard to accept the £6k price-tag just because of his association. He's human like the rest of us. Reasonable is not how I would describe that figure but to each their own I guess. Anybody on this thread who happens to buy one let us know your thoughts 😊

OK so 10x6K. £60,000. And that’s not profit. It hardly seems like a cynical attempt at world domination and exploitation. Just a bit of a gimmick and marketing ploy. If it keeps some guys in a job then I am all for it. I am sure that there are 10 guys out there on this planet who can afford 6K in the same way I can treat myself to a cold cider after a hot day at work.

[Sibob]

7 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

OK so 10x6K. £60,000. And that’s not profit. It hardly seems like a cynical attempt at world domination and exploitation. Just a bit of a gimmick and marketing ploy. If it keeps some guys in a job then I am all for it. I am sure that there are 10 guys out there on this planet who can afford 6K in the same way I can treat myself to a cold cider after a hot day at work.

Exactly, it’s not as if they’re expecting to sell 500 of them at the Icon price.

Honestly, it’s probably just a smart way to (partly?) fund Pino’s involvement. Let’s say he’s conservatively taking £30k for his involvement, that’s 50% of the RRP for the Icon series….which is now already paid for. 
He’s probably also on a royalty for the Artist series. So yeah, all good for everyone I’d say, he’s earned it!

 

Si

 

Ps

(I understand that £60k is not the net profit, but you take my point).

Edited 8 hours ago by Sibob

[snorkie635]

11 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

OK so 10x6K. £60,000. And that’s not profit. It hardly seems like a cynical attempt at world domination and exploitation. Just a bit of a gimmick and marketing ploy. If it keeps some guys in a job then I am all for it. I am sure that there are 10 guys out there on this planet who can afford 6K in the same way I can treat myself to a cold cider after a hot day at work.

Yep - ten very happy dentists. 🦷

[Mrbigstuff]

They only need to find 10 collectors or bassists out of the 58 million millionaires worldwide. Not a huge ask to sell those.

[NancyJohnson]

7 hours ago, drTStingray said:

I would hate to contradict you but an ex Pino signature Stingray fretless (his spare one) sold via the Bass Gallery for getting on for that figure. I think they’re only making 15 of the exact copies of Pino’s bass.
 

The other ones (fretted or fretless) are not relicked but are to the exact same spec as Pino’s bass, as it was when new and at the lower (£3700) price. 

 

I'm not talking about one of his actual basses.  There's dozens of Stingrays from the 70s available for well under the price of this signature model.

 

The thing I don't get to this day with signature models is that the ones PP has - minor tweaks aside - were all just stock/production line instruments.  There's nothing unique about them and there's likely hundreds out there.

 

 

[tegs07]

1 minute ago, NancyJohnson said:

 

I'm not talking about one of his actual basses.  There's dozens of Stingrays from the 70s available for well under the price of this signature model.

 

The thing I don't get to this day with signature models is that the ones PP has - minor tweaks aside - were all just stock/production line instruments.  There's nothing unique about them and there's likely hundreds out there.

 

 

I don’t think it’s possible to rationalise the collectibles or memorabilia market. It’s certainly not logical for grown men to get excited about train sets or wearing football shirts! It’s the eccentricity that makes the world a less dull place IMO so if you get your kicks from a pino replica bass or Hornby dining car (if that’s a thing) good on you. Keep the world weird.

[BigRedX]

While £6000 for a bass is not unusual, it's excessively expensive for what is essentially a CNC-made mass-produced instrument.

 

If I had that kind of money to spend on a bass right now I'd be getting Gus Guitars to make me Bass VI based on their G3 Baritone design, an instrument that would be unique and personal to me and not something that to all intents and purposes is indistinguishable from any other Music Man fretless Stingray.

 

Besides it's at least 40 years too late. Does Pino even use his original anymore?

[snorkie635]

16 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

I don’t think it’s possible to rationalise the collectibles or memorabilia market. It’s certainly not logical for grown men to get excited about train sets or wearing football shirts! It’s the eccentricity that makes the world a less dull place IMO so if you get your kicks from a pino replica bass or Hornby dining car (if that’s a thing) good on you. Keep the world weird.

I've been looking for a Hornby fretless dining-car for years. There were only ten made (albeit using CNC) and I believe Pino owns all, bar one of these. The other is owned timeshare between one million millionaire dentists and they each get to watch it go around a table-top sized loop of track once every 218 years. I'm about to contact Ernie, Sterling, Rugby, Tennis, Cricket and Foot Ball to see if they can make me an exact replica of Pino and his nine Hornby dining-cars, but will not purchase any unless they come with a case.

[prowla]

I don't associate him with playing a Stingray.

[Stub Mandrel]

"Typical of this style was his playing on Paul Young's "Wherever I Lay My Hat". His equipment at that time included a fretless 1979 Music Man StingRay Bass and Boss octave pedal (OC-2)."

[Bass Direct]

1 hour ago, Sibob said:

Well I was referring to the £3799 for a non-signed one (only just read up on what’s available). But let’s be honest, once ANYTHING is signed, what’s ‘reasonable’ goes out the window. If it sells, it’s reasonable to someone, which then somewhat validates the pricing…because then it’s simply about quantity.

Note: Just checked, the Icon series is sold out. Case rested.

 

Si

£3499 here FYI

 

[Bass Direct]

30 minutes ago, prowla said:

I don't associate him with playing a Stingray.

Interesting, he made his name playing one in the early 80's, long before the switch over to a P with flats...

 

[BigRedX]

Just now, Bass Direct said:

Interesting, he made his name playing one in the early 80's, long before the switch over to a P with flats...

 

But as I said, that was over 40 years ago. Does he play his fretless Stingray with any bands these days?

[Bass Direct]

1 hour ago, BigRedX said:

While £6000 for a bass is not unusual, it's excessively expensive for what is essentially a CNC-made mass-produced instrument.

 

If I had that kind of money to spend on a bass right now I'd be getting Gus Guitars to make me Bass VI based on their G3 Baritone design, an instrument that would be unique and personal to me and not something that to all intents and purposes is indistinguishable from any other Music Man fretless Stingray.

 

Besides it's at least 40 years too late. Does Pino even use his original anymore?

You will be paying for the nitro finish, hand aging, signature, exclusivity etc etc... And yes Pino does still play his  

 

I think now is a good time, I have had a LOT of customers chasing for fretless StingRay basses over the years, especially one that gives a nod back to the Pre-EB basses that Pino plays.

[Bass Direct]

2 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

 

But as I said, that was over 40 years ago. Does he play his fretless Stingray with any bands these days?

 

 

Fairly recently...

[ezbass]

Pino also used his FL ‘Ray with PSP, not really that recent, but still in the last 15 years. 
 

FWIW, I played Pino’s ‘Ray, many, many years ago. I don’t remember much about the feel, tone, etc, just feeling really nervous 😬. Dammit, I now have ‘Ray GAS again, even though I know they’re not really my thing! 

Edited 6 hours ago by ezbass

[Musicman20]

I can hear a Stingray Fretless here; I presume it is the same one....

 

A much more exciting use of it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXBiYFoHsOg&list=RDCXBiYFoHsOg&start_radio=1

Edited 6 hours ago by Musicman20

[ezbass]

It’s just occurred to me that there has been the Fender PP sig, now we have the MM PP sig, when are Moon going to bring out a PP sig?  

[Mrbigstuff]

16 minutes ago, Musicman20 said:

I can hear a Stingray Fretless here; I presume it is the same one....

 

A much more exciting use of it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXBiYFoHsOg&list=RDCXBiYFoHsOg&start_radio=1

Great tone

[snorkie635]

13 minutes ago, ezbass said:

It’s just occurred to me that there has been the Fender PP sig, now we have the MM PP sig, when are Moon going to bring out a PP sig?  

I'm waiting until they bring out the Bino Balladino Pongo.

[Bass Direct]

17 minutes ago, Musicman20 said:

I can hear a Stingray Fretless here; I presume it is the same one....

 

A much more exciting use of it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXBiYFoHsOg&list=RDCXBiYFoHsOg&start_radio=1

I would have posted this, but its 12 years ago already