BigRedX Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Those who want guitar feedback still use an amp albeit a very small one. That's what I've seen recently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 19 hours ago, cheddatom said: I get the ampless/in-ear thing and it obviously works for loads of people. One potential drawback I can see is feedback. Some feedback is desirable, especially when playing lead guitar. How do you get feedback with no monitor or amp? There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, la bam said: There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays. Boss made one in the mid 80s - the DF-2 Super Feedbacker and Distortion pedal. I had one which I used with my synth to provide guitar-like sounds. IIRC the "feedback" was generated using a pitch detector to drive a simple sine wave oscillator, and you held down the pedal to activate it. However once activated you were stuck with a single tone feedback and none of the instability you get with the interaction between the amp and guitar. Good for what it did, but not as versatile as a guitar and amp working together, which is why guitarists who want feedback tones and sustain still use a small valve combo located in a suitable place on the otherwise "silent" stage to achieve this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, la bam said: There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays. Freqout. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, BigRedX said: which is why guitarists who want feedback tones and sustain still use a small valve combo located in a suitable place on the otherwise "silent" stage to achieve this. Been there. Amp on a stand at knee height firing up a the guitarist and across the stage (basically at 90 degrees to the mics) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Feedback is so much more than just screaming guitar sustain etc. I personally like a controlled amount of feedback when playing bass too. Even the strings feel different under my fingers if I'm turned up loud through an amp or PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, cheddatom said: Even the strings feel different under my fingers Psychology. It's still a point though - the feeling of high SPL stage could certainly influence how you mentally feel on stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: Psychology. It's still a point though - the feeling of high SPL stage could certainly influence how you mentally feel on stage. you get more sustain though right? Am I just imagining that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 At last nights rehearsal (lead guitar in punk covers) I used an Orange Rocker 32 and was able to get some really nice controllable feedback. IMO it really adds to a song if done properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyratm Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Interesting read this. We moved to ampless last year, drums still acoustic but we have a click track in our ears anyway. It was great, but we kept feeling something missing on stage. We played a venue in December and I was forced to use an amp - so we turned bass down in the ears and that thump was from the amp. It worked well, could hear everything but still had the low end feeling. I just need to be careful with volume! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 On 21/02/2023 at 11:40, cheddatom said: you get more sustain though right? Am I just imagining that? Possibly. Again, it depends. It's probably somewhere on the boundary of high SPL and resonance... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikNik Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) I witnessed my first 'silent stage' when working at a Danish festival several years ago. I was in the stage right wings and it really was uncanny to watch the musicians - three guitars, keyboards, bass all going through Kemper Profilers, and the drummer on an electric kit - all playing and you heard nothing, except what was coming back off the PA. Really weird. Edited February 23, 2023 by NikNik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfinger Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 And it's so much kinder to your back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Found it quite easily but to save anyone looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 21/02/2023 at 10:35, la bam said: There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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