lowdown Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Well Guitar players are disposable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Anyone who can't be heard is taking up space unnecessarily and taking money out of the pockets of the rest of you. If he can't be heard there's no point in him being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Why not do an 'extra' practice without the lead guitarist along, Mr Rhythm will have to step up and maybe the experience of hearing himself will be kill or cure. Re drummers and volume, our drummer recently took to practicing with those rods - singer was pregnant didn't want to deafen the nipper! The nylon rods last longer and they definitely take the level down, nice fat sound too so they are now a permanent fixture for certain songs. Yes, he should be able to control volume better with sticks, but the rods got him on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I actually find playing gently with (wooden) hot rods is louder than playing gently with sticks Being able to drum quietly is very, very difficult to learn IME. I was at an acceptable and gigging standard of drumming for years - no complaints at all! But only since I learned to play quietly have I starting to think I'm getting good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbass Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I had this problem a few years ago and i realised that the guitarist wasnt very confident and was also intimidated by some of the musicians in the band for their ability and experience.In time the guitarist started to believe in himself and he started to enjoy how his own sound was enhancing the songs we did. Although that band disbanded we still remain very good friends. Geek99 has made a very valid point suggesting playing acoustic and see what happens...at least you've given him a fair chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Probably right about hot rods gently played being louder than sticks. My drumming mate is a bit of a rock beast though, and 'gentle' was tricky.... The rods sounds good, but drop the overall level compared to 'not gentle' sticks Were a bit of a revelation and because we could all drop volume, my drummer became used to the lower volume. He can now miraculously play quieter with sticks too, just made him think about it really. Much easier to get a decent mix at lower volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UglyDog Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1416825097' post='2613840'] Is your drummer too loud? Maybe the guitarist is making a stand... [/quote] Given that the OP's "300watt bass amp is only ever at number 1", I get the feeling that excessive drummer volume isn't the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's a pain trying to play with 2 guitarists & get them to sound good together. It can be done, but it takes a bit of work. Might I suggest getting someone who knows a little about sound to come along & listen to you all play & let him/her have control over setting all the rigs up (or filling drums up with wadding). Even if you don't get the individual sounds you all like, at least it would be a starting point. Then you can tell the drummer the advantage of a lekky kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 [quote name='UglyDog' timestamp='1416866429' post='2614592'] Given that the OP's "300watt bass amp is only ever at number 1", I get the feeling that excessive drummer volume isn't the problem. [/quote] He fails to tell you that the 300w amp is going through 4 8x10s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telebass Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1416827169' post='2613878'] And there you have it. There's something magic about bass/drums/guitar and in my experience it's [i]always [/i]preferable to having rhythm or keys. Especially keys... grr. Enjoy the space. If everyone's creative and on top of their game there's nothing better than a three-piece. Or a three-piece plus vocals. [/quote] This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weststarx Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well there you have it... We had practice last night and the drummer comes in saying he's dampened his snare drum and a few other drums which reduced his volume. Mr Rhythm turns his amp up and it was the best sounding practice we've ever had! This all happened without me saying anything to anyone! So hello band if you're on basschat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 [quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1417080246' post='2616805'] We had practice last night and the drummer comes in saying he's dampened his snare drum and a few other drums which reduced his volume. Mr Rhythm turns his amp up and it was the best sounding practice we've ever had! [/quote] Good to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliasMooseblaster Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Very good news indeed! Nice when these problems sort themselves out, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weststarx Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 It is indeed, thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rungles Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Get the drummer a pair of hotrods (cross between sticks and brushes) or kick him in the neck until he learns to play quieter. Both will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1416823590' post='2613824'] Try getting your drum not to play as loud and all come down a bit. Maybe he's right. More often than not, in my opinion, bands are too loud! [/quote] Indeed! Being too loud at rehearsal also makes it near impossible to hear everything properly, and bands can think they play and sound better than they really do, covering their poor performance with sheer volume... then they say they sound crap when the volume is down a bit. Well, it was crap before too, you just could not hear it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMX Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Sounds like a confidence thing. Lead(!) guitarist in our old band had the same issue. Nothing he was playing was 'quite right' and I don't think he wanted to be heard at all. Not sure he was after lead, in the end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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