JohnFitzgerald Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Morning chaps Haven't logged in for a while. Had login issues, all now fixed. Thinking of a new cab. Currently running a Trace AH130 into a Peavey 410TX. The cab has all the bottom and top I need, but does seem a bit lacking in the prominent mid that I like to give the bass an audible voice to make itself heard. It always weighs more than a small planet. Any suggestions for a moderately priced, reasonably light, cab ? My sound is fingerstyle jazz bass biased towards the back pickup. Cheers JF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettsguitars Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Turn down the bass and treble and crank the volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='lettsguitars' timestamp='1341743307' post='1723344'] Turn down the bass and treble and crank the volume. [/quote] My thoughts exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixdegrees Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 And disengage the preshape on the head and eq from there. The preshape scoops the hell out of the mids on Trace gear. If you want a lightweight 'middy' cab I'd suggest something like a Markbass 104 HF. Or indeed any of the Markbass range. They seem to be going a little out of vogue at the mo so you could get a decent S/H deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixdegrees Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Have you tried a different head with the cab? All 'bottom and top' sounds like the Trace head could be the culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Fair points. My favourite setup from the past was an AH250 and 1048 and that didn't lack for mid. Maybe that's the sound I'm trying to get back. Used a 1215 combo last week in a rehersal room and it gave me the sound I like. I think that's why I was casting guilty looks at the Peavey cab. Will keep all suggestions in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyP Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I had a 410TX for years and that was the main issue I stopped using it - no mids. They are known for that. There apparently is a mod that can be done to bypass the inductor on the input panel to make it more 'full range' as the mids are apparently suppressed. If you google it you should find it. May be a cheap way to solve the problem. Won't make it any lighter though! Otherwise a great cab that can take tons of juice and not fart out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 If looking for mids, Schroeders are great cabs. They have a scratchy/nasally/middy sound that on its own isn`t too pleasant, but in the mix sounds fantastic. They also sound the same no matter where you stand, straight in front/to the side etc (not sure about behind though). They are also lightweight, with the regular range 410 only being about 70 - 80 lbs. My 410 BMF weighs 50lbs approx, as did my previous 21012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 ^^^^^ This. My 1212L has been one of my best purchases ever. Really disliked it when I got it home, but once I got it in a band situation it came alive, sitting in its own sonic pocket. It has mellowed out a bit with use (that or my ears have retuned themselves to like the frequency response) but still nails it when playing with others. I get plenty of positive comments about my sound and can't help thinking that a lot of that is down to my Schroeder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks chaps for the input. Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this phenomenon with the Peavey. I do take the point that Trace pre shape and this cab. is not a marriage made in heaven. Will investigate the Schroeder cab too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='lettsguitars' timestamp='1341743307' post='1723344'] Turn down the bass and treble and crank the volume. [/quote] This. It took me ages to work out that this was what I needed to do to get a sound I liked out of my 2 eq stingray., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think pretty much anything is reasonably light compared to a Peavey cab Ashdown aren't light but they're not as bulky as Peavey, and still have a pretty nice warm sound. i like em anyways! They are pretty well priced too on the used market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 I regularly use an Ashdown 6x10 in one of the rehearsal rooms I frequent. I have to say, it's the top I find missing from that. Maybe I need to be getting a hold of a Trace 2103 and 1153 for a try out. I'd love those two to do the trick for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 My ampeg also bumps the low mids, or atleast i feel it does? So maybe look at a peg cab aswell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1341780638' post='1724151'] My ampeg also bumps the low mids, or atleast i feel it does? So maybe look at a peg cab aswell? [/quote] Ampeg is ALL about the low mids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 btw that wasnt an add for my cab realised it kinda looked that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Trace head / Ampeg cab ? Would that not be like trying to install a gas cooker into an electric power point ? I know, stupid comment, but to my befuddled head, there's some strange reason in there. On a side note, I caught Simple Minds from T in the park on Iplayer last night. Ged Grimes (ex Danny Wilson) was toting an elderly Stingray (probably, pre EB) into an SVT and 8x10. It was indeed a lovely sound, I have to say. Great combo. Didn't Pino use such a setup at one point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixdegrees Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 You do get some pleasant results with different head/cab combos. I currently use an Ampeg SVT Pro 7 head into a Markbass 106 HF cab and I haven't suffered GAS since I married them together. I moved away from my previous Ashdown rig because I was constantly fighting with the eq and getting lost in the mix. Now I have a natural mid-biased sound before I've even touched the settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I've got similar problems at the moment - Hartke Hydrive 410 and LH500 - the head has a built-in scoop, so the mids have to be at full to cancel this out. I'm having to use an on-board EQ to boost them before they hit the amp. Really powerful rig though, and with a DHA VT1EQ it's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Scoop is just wrong. Sounds mega on its own, disspears when played ensemble. I had occasion to do a set on guitar the other night using someone else's gear. A completely lovely Gibson ES137 into a Marshall all valve 50 watt combo. Can't remember the model. Anyway, it was a mix of other people's gear. As It came to me, the mid was wound off and bass was wound on. Fat sound, but just no cut. I adjusted to suit myself and did the set. Man what a sound, The ES137 on the neck pickup into just a tad of crunch was really lovely. Mid is such an under appreciated commodity. Even on guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yep, a mid-high instrument may not sound great on its own, but in the mix it`s the total opposite. Scoop only belongs in bedrooms, or with ice-cream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mep Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good luck on your search for a cab. I am all for low mids and my TE AH200 delivers them by the bucket. Most of my sound is comes through a Celestion 15". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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