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OK, so I picked up a Fortress on here a while back, and after some initial hand-wringing about aesthetics, it's become the first thing I pick up to play, certainly at home. Had a shock at the first gig, tho, when I put down my Wizarded P-Bass bitsa, picked up the Fortress, and wondered where the volume went...

A bit of pondering later, and I decided to put another set of Wizard P/J Big (Thumper and 84) pups in the Fortress. Win - best decision I've made in a while. It sounds just what I was after, very like the P.

Which made me think: OK, there are some tonal differences between the two basses, but I'd say 10-15% at most, and certainly in a live environment this would decrease. One is a big Ash-bodied, maple necked, maple boarded bass, with a corian nut and Schaller bridge, and the other is a much smaller, maple-bodied, wenge-necked bass with a brass nut and a two-piece bridge. The only similarities are the pickups are the same, as is their position (near as dammit) in relation to the bridge. Even the pots are different - 3 on the PJ, 4 on the Warwick.

Just goes to show what the biggest tonal influence on a bass is. I certainly won't sweat changing 'tonewoods' ever again... :)

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Changing tonewoods/fretboard woods can have a lot of impact on the sound you hear straight out of your amp in your bedroom, but in a live situation I don't think you'd notice all that much difference. Having said that, I think you would definitely notice the difference if the tonewood was replaced by a block of carbon fibre!

Glad your sound is good, bet that Warwick is a cracker!

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I'd have to agree with you Muzz. I've always been of the opinion that tonewoods have a fairly subtle effect on tone. Player style/ability (that's #1 in my book) pickups/electronics and scale length will generally change your tone a lot more than the wood.

I'm glad there's one more person who might agree with me!

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[quote name='Muzz' post='1313155' date='Jul 22 2011, 07:57 PM']Just goes to show what the biggest tonal influence on a bass is. I certainly won't sweat changing 'tonewoods' ever again... :)[/quote]

Unless you're playing accoustically, the pickups are always going to have a much greater effect on your sound than the wood the instrument's made from. Hell even for acoustic instruments; Stradivarius used wood that was so cheap and nasty that no luthier nowadays would allow it into their workshop.

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is your fortress the one with an active preamp? ive got two fortresses, one with standard MEC P/J pusps and pre and another with SD basslines P/J and pre. I have to say that for me theres not a HUGE difference between the two but the SD loaded one is a bit louder! i'm too thinking about the wizard config in mine!

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[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1313963' date='Jul 23 2011, 05:25 PM']As an aside, I'm going to form a Prog Metal band and name them after the title of this thread.

It was my idea first. :)[/quote]


that i like



im glad to hear the wizzards worked well in your bass, I plan to stick some nordstrands in my streamer stage 1 when I have the mollah

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I have a Fortress Masterman and i would not dream of changing anything on it. It is the perfect bass for cutting through metal guitars, especially when using a death metal "clacking" sound like Blood Red Throne. However if the pickup upgrade works for you then great. I find the fortress one of the best balancing and comfortable basses to play.

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[quote name='charic' post='1314474' date='Jul 24 2011, 09:31 AM']Maybe wizards just colour the sound a lot? I'm sure there are more 'transparent' sounding pickups out there :-)[/quote]


MEC's have a certain tone to them, for some people and some types of music they are great. For others less so.

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[quote name='LukeFRC' post='1314824' date='Jul 24 2011, 03:19 PM']MEC's have a certain tone to them, for some people and some types of music they are great. For others less so.[/quote]

I've got MECs in my fortress and haven't ever thought about changing them, on the other hand though I'm dying to get them out of my corvette!

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[quote name='lobematt' post='1315791' date='Jul 25 2011, 02:56 PM']I've got MECs in my fortress and haven't ever thought about changing them, on the other hand though I'm dying to get them out of my corvette![/quote]


i kinda want to try something else in my streamer, prob not for a year or so when I have money

How does it work with a SC pup in the bridge? not too hummey?

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[quote name='Dread Bass' post='1314552' date='Jul 24 2011, 10:53 AM']I have a Fortress Masterman and i would not dream of changing anything on it. It is the perfect bass for cutting through metal guitars, especially when using a death metal "clacking" sound like Blood Red Throne. However if the pickup upgrade works for you then great. I find the fortress one of the best balancing and comfortable basses to play.[/quote]

But that's no regular pick-up.
The MEC JJ is a [i]super[/i] pick-up.
It's great in the Fortress MM5 I own, and it'll do more besides Death Metal.
No coincidence that it's found in Infinity/Dolphin/Vampyre also...

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[quote name='LukeFRC' post='1317684' date='Jul 26 2011, 09:52 PM']i kinda want to try something else in my streamer, prob not for a year or so when I have money

How does it work with a SC pup in the bridge? not too hummey?[/quote]

Not that I've ever noticed!

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