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Pfffft. The Mesa figures are RMS. If Behringer was marketing the Subway, it'd be with a much bigger number than 800 on it... I'd say cynicism lies (SWIDT?) in making your product look comparatively much more powerful than it actually is, not less.

I've worked with Marketing types, and I can confidently say that if there's a smidgen of a hope of an inkling of a possibility that they can pass off a bigger (i.e. better) number (or any other factor) using any sort of loophole which isn't legally prohibited (and even then I've known them take the chance) to make the product sound better to the Mug Punter (and let's not forget in this specific case even distributors and big retailers have been fooled), then they'll be all over it like a dog on a hot sausage. Edit: And if you think a company like Behringer isn't completely, cynically aware of the state of the market with regards to their competitors and their publishing the specs of their amps (i.e. 90% of them use RMS), then I've a really, really great investment opportunity I'd like to involve you in... 🙂

Ohhhh, 'music power'; I remember that one. High fives all round in the Marketing meeting, while the Engineering blokes put their heads in their hands... 🙂

That friend of mine is enjoying his...he wanted a Streamliner (after he'd heard the one I had) but when he saw the price of the Behringer he bought one, and it's worked for him. He did say "2000w my a*se", though... 🙂

I was interested to see the lack of witch hunt which the Trickfish engendered on TB, after the months of pitchfork-waving a few years ago which greeted the news that the TC amp power ratings were, let's say, optimised. Granted, TC's method was a little more convoluted, but even so... Interestingly, the Bullhead .5k is quoted at Continuous Power (although it mentions '1404w Peak'), where the 1k isn't. Presumably they didn't want their cheaper amp sounding more powerful than their premium offering. Putting the Tricky in Trickfish...caveat emptor, and all that 🙂

As I say, it's a common approach from the low-rent end of the market (see Tandy and Amstrad above).

It may well be 2000w peak, it's still a shameless Marketing tactic to quote the biggest number they can for the output in an attempt to, as has been observed above, fool newbies. As I say, it's a common approach from the low-rent end of the market (see Tandy and Amstrad above). A good friend of mine has one. It's a very capable 3-500w amp, he's had it a few months, and it hasn't broken down.

Blimey, I hadn't imagined music promotion was so risky... 😕

And a Nissan Micra will still do 138mph...if you can find a cliff high enough to drop one off...

"But this one goes up to eleven..."

A witch! She turned me into a newt! I got better... 🙂

I stick to the Holy Scripture, as outlined below: A Reading from the Book of Bass, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20: 'First enter thou the purveyors of the Holy Bass. Then thou must count the strings to four. Four shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be four. Five shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count three, excepting that thou then proceedeth to four. Six is right out.' 🙂

The calculated 5/800w RMS figures for this amp (or even, if you like impressing your friends with stupidly big numbers '2000w Peak') will be loud enough to damage your hearing on a gig, especially with a cab(s) with good sensitivity, which will get the maximum SPL out of those watts. I gig with a 300w amp (having owned 5-800w amps in the past) and a Barefaced cab which has good sensitivity, and it's at least as 'loud', and plenty loud enough for a two-guitar, Marshall 412 rock band with a shed-building drummer. I'd still be interested in hearing of any reputable bass amp manufacturers who use Peak power ratings as their sole sales figures. That's historically been the preserve of Tandy, Amstrad and the shonkier end of the amp market.

One word of caution which has nothing to do with logistics or any such dull practicalities: when auditioning singers, always bear in mind that on the self-awareness scale of Confidently Realistic to Barkingly Delusional, you're looking at a role which is even more prone to the latter the lead guitards... Don't forget to record and share the more a*se-clenching bits...anonymously, of course... 🙂

Or a medley of In Dulce Jubilo and Kevin Bloody Wilson's Oi Santa Claus You Cnut? That'll keep the punters on their toes... 🙂

Yep, I've done exactly the same - the maroon hoohah comes of very easily (I sanded it), and I think they look much nicer without. I Tru-oiled mine.

It'll probably help Andertons shift some £149 basses... "I'm after a new bass" "What's your budget?" "Anywhere from £149 to £7000" Said nobody, ever. 😐

If appearances weren't everything then they might've designed something different to the Streamliner, but they didn't. They made an amp with the same (nearly) layout and same concept and whoops, it looks the same. A better analogy from the same company would be a BDI21. I've got one of them, and it does the job. At about a quarter of the price of a Sansamp. Interestingly, it doesn't look the same. Perhaps they were a bit more worried about Tech21 knocking on their door than the soon-to-be-defunct GB...

Well, although we've established it's either my face or my talent, there might be a third reason: T'Th'Implacable North; "That Jimmy Henricks fella..." "Yeah?" "He's not too bad, is he?" "S'pose not. D'you want another slice of whippet?" "Aye, grand"

We've already heard it isn't. For better or worse.

Similar appearance? Other than the comp, it's pretty much identical in concept, format and layout to the Streamliner, even down to the 220/600/2.5 mid frequencies. Pfffft. It's definitely a cheap version of the Streamliner, which is a great amp, and if it's half as good at a third of the (original) price, then it'll be worth it.

Nobody has ever, ever complemented me on my tone. Or playing. It must be my face. Or my lack of talent. It's probably my face. Hopefully. They have, however, complemented me on the quality of the band(s), and that's what counts to me. 😀

Having listened to John Deacon's isolated bass tone in another thread, this can also work in the opposite direction, too...

Playing bass in a band makes me happy, bottom line. If I don't like how I sound, I'm not happy, and that leaks into how I play. When I use backline, the amp and cab are a practical compromise between how I want to sound and what is practical for me to gig with (I'm never gonna own another 810 or 70lb all-valve head, for example) and yeah, I've bought lots of gear to get to this point, but then again I've sold anything which didn't work. Basses are a completely different thing to me: they're things of beauty in the eye of the beholder, and I'll pay whatever I can afford for something I consider beautiful in look and feel. Like Shukers. Everyone else can, in the words of Bungedit Din: Fakir. Off. 😀

This. I have three, and I've owned three more. Given the choice of literally any bass, I'd take its equivalent budget to Jon instead.