JTUK

of course, The first question is What is the gig? How much? Where? How long? Dress Code? and then, who is on it and the set?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1451096398' post='2938310'] I did a Stax/Motown function band for a while and yes, great cash - but for me it was the false bonhomie and compulsory audience participation crap that wore me down in the end. Plus the logistics of a nine-piece band became tedious to say the least. But I digress - good luck to the OP, let's hope for a positive outcome. [/quote] We did this and their fee was £180 each... so tough money. You have to think what they really bring as rehearsals are out but a 'score session' might be available if they can re-use the charts. Personally I'd pay it only for a special event and if they gave me a copy of the horn pad. As always, saturday is a prime night for wages

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1451266438' post='2939234'] True, at the bar band level ,outside of nut cases like me that want to gig all the time it can get tough. When we we're auditioning drummers when I told them we gig twice a week and more in the summer, they want nothing to do with it. Guys just don't like that sort of gigging anymore. Am I the only guy that's still loves gigging and the more gigs the better. To this day, my favorite days are when we have 2 shows booked at different times on the same day and you've got $800.00 in your wallet from weekend gig money. Blue [/quote] That is different money to a pub band. I think you'll have more takers at the price which I'd guess is around £500. If you could pay that, you'd get the guys interested and it'd be a sought after gig. They would drop the lesser payers tho unless the band was hot .. It wouldn't likely be the only/prime gig but you'd have the pick of the local players from around a 100 mile radius, IMO.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1451246538' post='2939098'] Yeah, and there are other scenarios. Take a guy that's married, very active family and owns his own business. Generally this type of guy is usually not a good candidate for a heavily booked bar band. Blue [/quote] Quite, I'd expect they wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Working 3 nights a week for pub money is not a good business plan, IMO considering it will impact on their life so much and not really be cost effective. My mate is looking for a drummer and they'll work as much as they could. It isn't going to make them a living, so you need to supplement it with other work.... This cuts down prospsective players to such a degree that it is very hard to make work.

Deal with them...too much busniess at stake....or don't and wind the band up.

Put them on and monitor the neck and action over 24 hrs. Tweak as applicable...

Whereas my choices take quite a time, I'm very picky and tend to choose pretty well. Most of the gear I have I keep because it does what I want it to do. I very very rarely turn over kit within a year or two..if that.

If she was looking to put together a new band you are going to have to bend to her... as she'll probably do it anyway. However, this does rather mark the card that the singer have the wherewithall to get what she wants ...and you should be looking at whether you can and want to work that way. For me, it is all business so it wouldn't worry me.... but if she has just joined and invited someone else , this might set a precedent..like she is taking over. None of this is so bad IF that is what you want, but you might want to test her by saying the original members need to talk the sax issue over..you can invite her too...to see how she operates and what other little surprises she might be capable of.

It isn't your fault he isn't ready for the situation... Sharpen up a bit implies he is just a bit rusty... and I get the impression he is quite a way off the mark..? Anyway, new sax player may set the bar... But sure, put him in the picture, but no garauntees... he may walk. That is just the way the game is.

[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1450973799' post='2937559'] For some reason the "quote" function won't work for me? I wanted to say that was a good balanced post Dad3353. Also some people seem to assume that I am suggesting buying cabs on specs alone, without hearing them at all. I most certainly am not advocating that at all. The proof of the pudding is always in the eating isn't it? I just can't grasp why some posters seem to be so strongly against gaining a little knowledge of engineering and physics to complement their auditory skills. Frank. [/quote] I say tone first, you say specs first. I'm not going to buy a 10" speaker and expect it to work with a band... no matter what the specs say. It isn't complicated but if specs are what you buy, then no problem

These things evolve like this..which is why I don't do them as a friends things... so you need to find a way to broach this. Either upfront or don't invite him along..but it will come out at some point anyway. I think he will have an inkling to what is likely to happen, so you may as well bite the bullet, explain it to him and let things unfold. He may leave or he may stay, and you find a use for both. But when bands progress, you all have to be on the same page... and if you gig for money everyone has to be worth their money in some way. This is working bands and it is dog eat dog.

Windmill end of Jan. Will see how that goes

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1450913572' post='2937081'] Great genre however, I am not sure why you want to do this. Will it be a gigging band or recording project? I ask because while I grew up with and love it, I know this genre does not have the appeal it once had. Blue [/quote] We do old Meters tracks... a few blues classics, Bobby Blue Bland, Neville Bros and over to Fred Wesley, War, etc You have to pick the right places to play but jamming is a HUGE part of it. Can go down a storm but I'd not waste the gig on a cold audience tbh..

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1450965385' post='2937445'] Yes, this is how airlines buy their fleets. They wait for Airbus and Boeing to make 'em, then fly around for a bit to see if they're any good. If they like the look of 'em, and can afford 'em, they get a few. Sounds good; makes a buyer's job quite a lot easier. Trial and error is a recognised method, preferred by some; doing a bit of homework and research can be made to pay off for others. I know that reading up (sceptically...) a bit about most subjects allows me to make a better choice for me. Not for all..? Fair enough. [/quote] Yep...that is what we are talking about.

[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1450964056' post='2937428'] And a perfect example of why you are far better off with some technical knowledge - at least you have a fighting chance of spotting the marketing BS. One subject that makes me smile is how often people talk about the published wattage ratings of amps and cabs and clearly don't understand the subject. And with a (very) few exceptions it appears that the manufacturers like to maintain this situation. And those kind of myths are perpetuated by well-meaning but quite misleading advice, given almost daily on this very forum. I've even seen quite a few instances where given advice has been simply wrong and has been corrected by another poster and the corrections and advice has been ignored. That is beyond my understanding. Happy Christmas to everyone who happens to read this Frank. [/quote] But what technical knowledge...? All you need to know is that an amp and cab is loud enough to produce the sound you want. I know that 500w class D's aren't...for me. I know which amps do cut it at that level...out of the ones I've tried. I know a single cab wont do it at a band level and I know what sort of cabs aren't going to work either...most likely As Chris says...you learn all this on your way.. All the rest is pretty much crap tbh... but it can help the snakeoil salesmen if you are gullible enough. The best way around that is to fire up the amp and cab in context with your bass and you either agree with them or you suss them out. A guy that reads all this stuff out of a book means not a lot.. if they can't back it up by making a good sounding--in this case- cab. So the talent is in the ears...as a cab maker, and then the ability to reference that at the project stage. A man might know how to build something...doesn't mean what he has built is any good. IMO.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1450907313' post='2936997'] Given a 1w input to these, and measured at 1 m, and averaging the frequencies, I'd expect these two to be of equal 'loudness', with those figures. Is that not the case..? If not, why not..? [/quote] well that is that one shot down in flames already

[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1450905799' post='2936975'] I agree JTUK and [email="M@23"]M@23[/email], you can only read specs usefully if you know what you're reading and yes, the world is "full of it" aiming to fool the unwary and/or the unknowing. I try to be neither of those but don't always succeed 100%, nobody could in reality. [b]Still, your ears can trick you as well when choosing a cab, in all sorts of ways, so why would anyone deliberately ignore the engineering specifications? It honestly is a mystery to me. [/b] Frank. [/quote] For me, they are a mere reference... am I going to test to see if they are true..?? no, that would a much poorer waste of my time my the sound trumps it all anyway. And for the person writing to 'his' audience... they still have to convert that sort of spec/bias too any sort of useful form. So an Engr with no ears is just as dangerous or useless. When people hear a great sound, they aren't referring to engineering specs at that time.. From a design point of view you need to know and understand, but a quick read of our own build diary threads shows there are many curve balls. Always, always the end result is key... how you arrive at that, matters less...you may fluke it, you may plan it but I doubt anyone knows 100% what the sound W|ILL be like... I'd expect them to in the ball park, of course.. But then... if the design plan is 'misguided' then you have genuinely spec'd a not likely not very good end result.

Not a factor IMO Altho some gigs will insist on a 4 for other reasons..

[quote name='ikay' timestamp='1450860434' post='2936415'] Funny you should say that ... [url="http://s1090.photobucket.com/user/iankay/media/Stuff/Bass.jpg.html"][/url] [/quote] Really works.. nice one.

:lol: Just a couple of Hercules stands would do for me tho

Not as far as I'm concerned. I don't take the specs as face value as the world is full of it, so the proof ( as far as I am concerned) is in what I know and can determine. I'm so far from someone telling me I should like it, unless it is a person I know and trust and even then that is only first base. You can sit down and read all you like...and for plenty of people, I'm sure that is their education but if it doesn't stack up it in a real situation then it doesn't stack up. And some of it really really doesn't stack up, IMO/IME. So, no, for me, it is a very small indicator and depending on the source, can be worth and mean next to nothing.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1450903199' post='2936938'] Good point, I'd venture to say if your not being paid it doesn't matter what you play and you can play only what you enjoy. [b]When your paid, your playing to please the customer not yourself.[/b] Blue [/quote] You're always paid to provide a service...but that doesn't mean the songs are picked for the customer. That is just a pub band crock, tbh... I think you set out what you do and 'educate' audiences. If you haven't got anything to make people come and watch you and come back, then giving them their top 50...which every other band will be doing anyway, doesn't set you apart. Of course, you want the song to work, but you do need originality, IMO, and not just defer to what they think they want. But then again, that is why I never subscribe to note perfect rips of songs... and nor do I want to really see it in players.. That is why I said can they play... and I didn't mean they know the notes and the order to play them in..

100's of bands so you have to cute with your set and you need to be able to put it over. Split is important so I'll ask them how much they need to make. Saturday gig rate is a lot different to other rates. Split is relevant as some people just want to turn up and play... so if they do nothing else all they are brining is their playing. So, you need to weight up what they bring to the party in total and decide if you can afford it... in more ways than one.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1450819730' post='2936247'] You should know a little bit about the level of musicianship from the auditions. If the band has a solid history of bookings and a lot of gigs on the books,they probably know what they're doing. Blue [/quote] Don't do auditions... you get asked if you are interested. It depends what playing circle they come from. Even the guys from the same 'pool'... doesn't always mean they have the right chemistry.