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I wondered how much certain people really were influenced by the cool people they say they were.....

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1449749700' post='2926446'] IMO, understanding the world these guys inhabited give you a better idea about them, their personality, playing and legacy. Finding out what their work mates thought is more interesting than all the blind praise. If you've been influenced by a bass player it's a dead cert that they were influenced by JJ. No one gets to that point by being anything less than a genius at their craft. JJ almost single handedly altered the role of a bass player for everyone. Pre JJ we had root/5 and dum-de-dum bass lines. Post JJ the sky was the limit, and that makes him by far the most influential bass player yet Still, you wouldn't want to be living next door to most geniuses. As a species they seem to very difficult people to get along with. [/quote] Wasn't Macca influenced by Jamerson... or aren't we allowed to say that as the former is God in Blue's eyes

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1449693723' post='2926114'] Didn't Jamerson have difficulty finding work later on as producers felt his sound hadn't moved with the times? With hindsight his work comes across as classic rather than dated, but I guess there was a time when it didn't seem that way to everyone. [/quote] It is said he wouldn't update his sound, wouldn't consider slap or round wounds or newer amps. It is also said alcohol may have made him harder to work with... Anyway... he started to loose work as people booked him less and less. All this was late 70's and early 80's IIRC when bass was pretty much going thru a revolution. The fact that it hadn't had time to come full circle and he died in '83 probably meant he wasn't a well man when he was losing work.

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1449733935' post='2926297'] So basically you are saying is if you don't like him you haven't listened enough yet? I'm not sure I can take enough to get over the crest into the zone of liking his music and there is already so much music out there I do enjoy. [/quote] You've dissed the man..or are in that territory. I'm not a fan ..but that isn't allowed apparently. I'd say we had Beatles 45's in the house... I've had to play loads of their songs so I think I'm not oblivious to his style....especially as I can digest stylistic things very well IMO. I've said a few other things..which are up there and I'll stand by them..for sure, I just don't feel the need to repeat them. They are in this thread, I haven't deleted them. I expect some have a different opinion..... that is fine by me.

Just for fun, I googled iconic Jamerson tracks... and you'd be surprised at the tracks not there..? and then you ask the same question of Kaye and Babbit ..??

I guess you could say that....... I happen to like the trick..... and for the type of music I've listened to, you wouldn't be able to avoid him....possibly,

[quote name='stevebasshead' timestamp='1449679286' post='2925920'] Bose 802. The controller was basically just a preset eq to get the best out of the speaker, and amp iirc OT but we have a pair that we're going to try as floor monitors with a Yamaha power amp + eq pedals until we can afford a proper monitoring solution. [/quote] I'd expect this to be a bit iffy... but it depends on your definition of iffy. I wouldn't do it normally as you need the controller/EQ to make it sound ok... We used Martin's and they were 'average' without the controller, but blindingly good with. We replaced Martin's on weight grounds alone, with QSC KW112 and the Martin 500 ICTS plus M1 controller killed them.. IMO.

Get keys...

[quote name='AinsleyWalker' timestamp='1449665887' post='2925715'] How is clarifying my point 'backpedaling'? I haven't gone back on a single thing I've said... And the same goes for me, plenty of people who agree. It works both ways. I'm not sure why you've gotten so uptight about the fact that I heard 'aimless noodling' in his music. That's my opinion and I have every right in the world to express that. And (as I've already reiterated) I asked for people to give me examples of his music that might [b]change my mind[/b]!! What more do you want?! I'm openly admitting I want my mind to be changed!!! If you disagree with me then that's absolutely fine, that's actually what I wanted! It'd be boring if everyone agreed with this post, I wanted people to challenge what I said and to prove me wrong in the name of musical exploration! But show me why, give me examples like I asked for, don't just sit there repeating yourself over and over again calling me a troll for voicing my opinion. Check my other topics, I ask a lot of questions, I haven't set out to get anyone riled up. I had no idea that a simple post like this would cause such a 'crap'storm to be honest, it's quite baffling to me why you'd get so upset about a difference in musical opinion. [b]But for the sake of being mature about this, I apologise if my honest current opinion of Jaco's music has upset you or hurt your feelings. As someone who is about 40 years my senior I hope you can do the same now and just respect my opinion.[/b] Thanks again to everyone who has debated/discussed this topic maturely and constructively! I have a lot of musical research to do this weekend [/quote] Well, he doesn't seem to get 'opinion' unless it is his...and you'd better believe he knows best

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1449618717' post='2925357'] Let me guess, your like 17 or 18 years old, right? Blue [/quote] Not very good at maths either now either, are you.... I said I was nearer 60 than 17... so even with not enough fingers to count with you must be able to work out you'd start with 20 yrs on that figure.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1449618095' post='2925351'] Saying you don't recognize one of the world's top bass player as a bass player is either trolling or straight up ignorance . If you can't feel Paul or recognize him as a bass player, you really should consider dropping bass and trying another instrument. Just my honest opinion. Blue [/quote] Why thank you. You know nothing about me and understand even less.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1449618095' post='2925351'] Saying you don't recognize one of the world's top bass player as a bass player is either trolling or straight up ignorance . If you can't feel Paul or recognize him as a bass player, you really should consider dropping bass and trying another instrument. Just my honest opinion. Blue [/quote] But I'm very good at it and I like it...so why should I just because he is your Entire meat and potato's plus veg too..

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1449668440' post='2925768'] As long as the cabs have been designed to go together they will sound fine. I used a Mesa Boogie 210 and 115 EV rig for years. It was a great sound but very heavy. A few years later I had 2 Berg AE210's and that was my favourite. I would keep the 2 210's. I don't see the Ashdown 115 being a better sounding cab than their 210. [/quote] Yes..I'd agree. 2x210's is a very option IMO. I've never really got why some people think a 15 would be the answer here...but that is because I know it wouldn't be for me. But...you'll need to try it and see how it suits you. And you should always be looking to know how you sound 20-30ft away.

When we were young and couldn't get gigs...pub work was unheard of, iirc..and it just didn't enter our head as an option, we always put on our own shows. Don't remember making a LOT out of it, but we learnt a lot. The one thing I do recall...is we had no security, and te village halls were rammed. We invited a pub into the do the bar and keep the business. We made 'enough' on the tickets to do it again. What I do that now... NOT IN A MILLION... and pubs are easier ways to turn-over money. Nowadays, you have health and safety and security as extra costs..and the chances are that the security heavies would make more per head than the band. But...as regards the OP... if someone is doing the major legwork and it is just £40 to you guys, then why not..?? If you haven't done this before, you'll learn loads and that in itself is worth a lot, IMO.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1449608746' post='2925235'] Please tell me you are under age 60. Blue [/quote] yes...but what difference does that make... I just don't feel it..

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1449591822' post='2924961'] Agree about Deluxe Fenders, quite surprised to see one on your list JT. Sounds like you've got a touch of GAS that needs putting out quick, put a deposit on something decent. Looks like WoT's new squeezes are getting the nod, and you can get your spec and not Fender's? [/quote] I guess I figure that is what £1k gets you... and I know they don't come anywhere near close to a Sei, but then they aren't Sei money. I've tried a Am Del and it was ok...but I knew I wouldn't be knocked out by it and wasn't... but not totally offended. I can't comment on a Jake, of course, so that isn't directed at them.. but I'm wary enough to want to have to see one. Yep..I guess I want another bass over needing one. I think I'll just MTFU and put the deposit down ...and keep what I've got for 14 months.. they are both lovely basses..I'm just in need of a change

[quote name='Joebethell' timestamp='1449589395' post='2924917'] Sorry closer inspection it's a 6er [/quote] There is J5 there, iirc but not what I'm looking for... I've got that in a Sei already

[quote name='police squad' timestamp='1449589668' post='2924923'] do bass gear have anything JT? I wouldn't mind another trip up there to try the TKS H115 [/quote] I'll write to them, Mart and yes, I'm up for a visit again. Just say when. The H115 is NEO...my S112's are ceramics and 10kgs... however I don't think anyone will notice another 5kgs... and a lot of 112 NEO's are around 31lbs give or take.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1449606986' post='2925195'] That is not a cool look. [/quote] +1000... but hey, his gtr work gets him out of that ..

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1449608079' post='2925219'] You got to be kidding me. This is trolling, right? Blue [/quote] No... outstanding writer in conjuction with Lennon,...

[quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1449607888' post='2925215'] Because the answer would be, 'I'll leave it'. [/quote] Here or the states? I think a good act will get what they ask for... if the buyer doesn't think they are worth it, of course, they wont pay it. but they will if they do. Recent pub fees around here have been £350, £600 and £1k plus... The last two charged on the door... £350-500 isn't unheard of from wet sales alone.

£333 by today's $/£ rate. I'd say pub work here is £250 standard ... £350 is doing well and above that needs a garaunteed stormer of a night. Pubs will pay more, but need to pretty damn sure they'll make it back AND some. One or two of the Best music pubs will put on ticketed band events and I think this will be more the way pub music will go..providing they have space and a stage etc etc as you'll need to get 70-100 ppl in, and more.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1449584810' post='2924863'] We're digressing a bit here but in the UK we are used to a pretty set format. Pubs stop serving food at 9pm and that's when the band's start. People go out, eat, watch a band, go home. When I was in Detroit, the bars tended to serve food all night and the bands would easily be playing from 9 until 1 while people ate and came in and out. It's a different culture. It's also pretty rare to hear any light and shade from a pub band doing two 45min sets. They'll put on a high energy too loud intensive show. Compare that to a wedding band where your first half an hour would be easing the audience into it after they'd had a meal and the evening guests arrive. Then you might have 10mins in the middle of the last set for slow numbers. Etc. [/quote] It is a problem when the staple fare is 80's rock......as it is around here but then pubs get what they deserve too. I'm not that fussed about working too hard if the audience didn't come to see 'us'... and I wouldn't want to be playing whilst the whole pub was eating.. I've done plenty of background musak gigs but they are my idea of money, not fun. I don't much like the idea of gigging and being an afterthought, for sure. I'd say there is NO WAY a band would hold people's attention for 4 hrs.. so I'm glad I don't have to try and attempt to. Yep..don't fancy that sort of bar work. I'll FB my mate in Florida... and see what he thinks...but I know he loves playing and being up there in the spotlight and he still can't hack it... Even his corporate gigs are the same sort of hrs...but they pay a lot more money. Why doesn't anyone say..as you would here... we play for 2 x1 hrs max and our fee is..£xxxx. Take it or leave it..?

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1449573933' post='2924700'] Yes but it's a different environment. I've played for 4 hours, a matinee and an evening show. That's pretty close to what Blue does, the audience don't stay for the whole four hours. [/quote] I get that....or rather I think it is another example of the U.S working cheap... just like waitressing and tips.. and how they need the latter to make up their wage. If I had to play 4 hrs so the bar could come and go as they pleased and you had 2 or 3 versions of an audience, I'd think I wasn't doing enough to keep them... However, 4 hrs of music is just not practical in a bar and a 2 hr attention span is tops for an attentive audience. Also, that period would dictate you'd need 2-3 lead vocals and it is hard enough getting one decent one.. let alone 3. I don't think I'd be doing bar gigs in the U.S... it just wouldn't be my idea of fun...

For me, Jaco is the reason I can't stand to listen to Rocco...... It goes deeper than that, of course, but you get the jist.. no more can or worms here