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[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1413803001' post='2581991'] Barefaced Big Twin - 22.5kg Bergantino CN212 - 20.8kg TKS S212 - 21kg Barefaced Super Compact - 11kg Bergantino CN112 - 12.7kg TKS S112 - 10kg Further: I seem to remember from an old thread some discrepancy between "real world" and "advertised weight" on Barefaced products, but the memory fades. Maybe I'm not right. [/quote] Yup. We all know about Berg's build quality. And the TKS's aren't even neo. Don't get me wrong, I like the BF stuff. The Vintage I used a few times sounded glorious. But they're not the only lightweight boutique cabs out there. They do have great marketing copy, though.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1413797066' post='2581877'] I think we need to put this to the test. Any chance of a cab-off at the SE Bass Bass? [/quote] We put a pair of midgets up against a pair of S112's at the last NE Bass Bash...

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1413796366' post='2581858'] Is the competition producing good looking cabs that are any lighter? Do people who buy these cabs buy them for the weight saving and sound and maybe are not particularly interested in Berg/Van looks? [/quote] TKS make good looking cabs that are light enough to make the difference negligible.

[quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1413751224' post='2581587'] My beef with some of the posts is that they are either subjective or totally off topic with respect to the original post, The main gist of the OP was: [/quote] Drifting off-topic isn't a new phenomenon, though.

[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1413793520' post='2581798'] Does anyone know if Limelight do any options? could you have blocks and/or a binding on the neck if you wanted? While I'm at it with the questions does Mark offer a light relic? all the basses I've seen on here and in real life are very lovely but a bit too worn and rusty for my liking. Thought I'd ask here 1st [/quote] I asked him about blocks - he can do a block'n'bound J-profile neck for an an additional cost. I also asked him about lighter-touch rellic'ing, and he said he can reign it in a bit.

I did a couple of gigs with mine on deep carpet. It sounded choked and boxy. The radiator is an essential part of the design. Don't restrict it.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1413744744' post='2581503'] I like being a musical numptie - all these things I never need to worry about [/quote] Yup.. Suits me too :-)

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1413735262' post='2581353'] And shutting Genz Benz down was the most daft move ever - get a brand at the height of it's popularity with players, a range of great products and... shut them down... [/quote] Shutting Genz down makes perfect sense. A great amp with 'Fender' written on it is worth far more to Fender than a great amp with 'Genz Benz' written on it. Unfortunately, they didn't capitalise on it. ('Yet...', maybe?)

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1413648769' post='2580562'] ...on what should be a family forum. [/quote] Remind us why you've been placed on post approval in the past..?

...and actually, one of the last 'new' Fenders to grab my by the lapels was a Mexican road-worn J.

[quote name='TheSiberian' timestamp='1413624779' post='2580221'] If you don't want to hear critics... Than play some Custom Shop Fenders and maybe you'll feel the difference and you'll become more critic in the same time. Best [/quote] I can't comment on Masterbuilds, 'cos I haven't played any in living memory, but every time I pick up a Teambuilt CS I think... 'nice', but not much else. And I've played a couple of stinkers. Certainly nothing that's grabbed me by the lapels like my Limelight J relic did, for example.

[quote name='TheSiberian' timestamp='1413619855' post='2580140'] Ok a Nah from a Fender 71 Precision fretted & fretless owner... I got that. Lol Best [/quote] But also a 'nah' from someone who's owned a fairly recent Tony Franklin P, and a Roscoe Beck...

[quote name='TheSiberian' timestamp='1413619451' post='2580132'] The only Fender basses who deserve the Fender logo are the Custom Shop ones. [/quote] Nah.

Maybe they're heading back to an early-80s style contraction, cutting the line back to a handful of the most popular instruments, and scaling back production...? Wouldn't be a bad thing from a brand POV.

Pair a Walkabout (assuming it hasn't been tinkered with!) with fairly sensitive cabs, and it'll cope with anything but ridiculous volumes, IME.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1413554431' post='2579498'] No criticism of the mods from me on this, but I'm interested in the philosophical implications of why it's ok for kids to see sexualised images of women baring their breasts in The Sun, but not on Basschat. It is obviously legal to publish such images as there is no age restriction of The Sun, there were no naked breasts in this thread or on Huff Post. So is it simply context? [/quote] It was one or two specific posts in the thread that pushed it over the edge.

[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1413554046' post='2579491'] Huh??? Sorry teacher. [/quote] No problem.

And for the record, PMing a mod is the preferred method for raising these queries. :-)

How's this for a simple bass part that's also a slice of genius? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pVjl4Rrtc

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1413455004' post='2578352'] I see what you mean. Just checked the 2126 and seems that the sound may be spot on my needs and likes but at 25kg (before adding the tweeter and cloth frame) i think i'll stick with my S12T's 19kg and wheels for a bit longer Cheers [/quote] Of course - there's room for all! My point was just that you don't have to trade in looks and price for sound and weight..

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1413453653' post='2578328'] Don't know... i like BF because of the flat response. From what i've been reading TKS seems to have a small amount of "colour" (read mid-scoop/bass boost) on it's sound. Maybe i'm wrong. I do love their looks with the silver cloth and that big wood frame around, SEXY!!! [/quote] Yep - the 12"s I use have no tweeters, and couldn't be described as flat. Mid-scoop? Nope. Nada. The mids on these are glorious, which is why I love 'em. I detest mid scoop. They're just excellent quality traditional-sounding bass cabs, with a lovely roll-off at the top, but lightweight. The Neo 1126 I had a loan of was much more 'full range studio monitor'-sounding. Not my bag at all, but loaded with a tweeter, the flat-response lovers would probably be right into it.

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1413453142' post='2578324'] Yep but you can't find it all together in other gear *snip* ( i haven't tried TKS yet) [/quote]

[quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1413385601' post='2577782'] I'd also like to add anything by the Eagles to the Coldplay and Snow Patrol list of dullest music to play. [/quote] Goodness. I would never mention The Eagles in the same sentence as the entirely dreadful Coldplay. Meisner and Schmitt wrote some great lines. I've just encountered Dakota for the first time ever with a dep I've been doing. I'd never heard it until now. The song is totally dull, so the bass part suits it (I don't have any problem playing it with fingers).

I haven't A/B'd them, but I've gigged both the Compact and the H115. (DISCLAIMER - my feedback is based on a limited run of gigs. Please bear this in mind) They're both compact and light - the Compact has the edge as it's a smaller box, but the H115 is far from a hardship. It's still a one-hand carry over short distances. I had mixed results with the Compact. At a couple of lower-volume gigs it was great. Like.. really nice, to the point where I could easily have handed my money over there and then. But at higher volumes, results varied. It seemed to lack authority. For the money, it would have to be a single-cab solution, but I just didn't feel like it was up to the task. The H115 rang my bell from the off. Every note has a supportive punch behind it that always seems to be there regardless of volume. I usually had the tweeter dialled off or thereabouts, and even with flats the notes 'speak' clearly. And it's pretty sensitive, so despite my head only putting out about 175w into 8ohm, I never felt like I was struggling. I came [i]very [/i]close to buying the H115 that JD1 now owns (in fact, I kept borrowing it from him after he bought it!), but for one reason or another I was pretty set on ordering the S212 I now own. Reluctantly, I have to mention 'the elephant in the room' - the TKS looks and feels like a high-end bass cab. It's beautiful (like all Tommy's cabs), and the construction is solid and reassuring in an Audi / BMW / Mercedes kind-of way. And that's all I'll say about that. Hope this helps...