Jack

Indeed. I didn't mean to besmirch the PSA2 at all. Hell, I still really want one! And the Stomp isn't the be all and end all for every bass player that some people claim it to be. But it's undeniable that Stomp's been a bit of a paradigm shift really, and it's pretty hard to best in terms of it's features:size:price ratios. My point was simply that a bass player with £400-£450 who wants a versatile pedal preamp will likely look at both units. In that case, the Stomp can probably do a pretty decent impression of all the sounds the Sansamp can do, with a lot more besides (if you want the other sounds I suppose), they're about the same size, trade blows pretty evenly on I/O, presets, control, switches, etc. It's basically much of a muchness, but the Stomp has a tuner and loads of effects on top. Even if you really don't want ANY of the effects or other amp models then you look at it as a PSA with a free tuner. I'm of course assuming that the Stomp can cop a decent imitation of most of the sounds that the PSA can do, maybe it can't. Anyway, enough of this. I still really want a PSA (as I don't have a Stomp, I have a Helix rack and I still use a portable board helmed by a Paradriver) and I think I'm derailing what was a very good thread. I just wish it was £300-£350 rather than £425 as that would better represent it sitting somewhere between £200 pedal preamps (like the BDDI or MXR M80) and £500 pedal modellers/multifx (like the Stomp or the Vped) which is where it belongs IMHO.

The inputs and outputs on nearly every PA cab are in parallel, so unaffected by volume or DSP changes. Or the new PSA 2, which would sound equally sublime on both.

True, but the PSA 2.0 not having XLRs at that price is kind of my point, I think it's quite over the odds compared to other Sansamps (which as you mention are much cheaper) or other preamps that cost >£400 that have way more features and sounds. The Stomp doesn't strictly have XLRs, but it has two balanced TRS outs which are as good as.

I've got to be honest, it's a full-on deal breaker for me. I couldn't care less about superficial damage to the body or electronics, but anything on the neck or the headstock that's under string tension is a no for me. There's enough other used basses out there. Maybe, maybe, if it's either a super rare bass and I'm unlikely to get another, or if having the neck/headstock repair takes a bass I couldn't usually afford down into my budget.

Thomann have it pre-order for about £425. Ouch. The HX Stomp is also very versatile, also sounds great, also has 3 footswitches, also has midi and is a freaking Helix.

That's the one I've been wanting to try myself, I just don't have any cabs at the moment! And I share some (not all) of Dan's concerns.

Can you spring to £104?

As @JakeBrownBass said, I think these cabs have an interesting history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F42y1EGnXMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgjpJgfS_2k&t= Out of the heads, I'd have the TC Bam. Not only is it probably the nicest head there, it's the only one that would be useful to keep as a backup or B rig down the line.

Every time that same PSA1.1 pops up on ebay for £195 I'm always tempted. There's a PSA model in the Behringer X-Air mixers if anyone has one of those and they want to get a feel for what this pedal will do.

Indie rock band, hard rock band, ridiculously early christmas shopping.

I'd considered starting a thread, but never bothered because it seems as though there's been very little interest historically. How much space does such a bash require? I have access to a community center with a large hall.

I did this with a local kid on a facebook group recently. With his £500 budget we ended up with: Ashdown Mag 300 head, Ashdown Mag 4x10" cabinet - £250 from Gumtree Boss TU-2 - £30 on ebay Sansamp Bass Driver - £120 from here Cheap far-Eastern pedalboard and power supply - from ebay (the only new items) I have to say, it's cracking rig with more than enough stage volume to do pub gigs, 2 options to get sound to PA, the ability to mix and match with house cabs or supplied backline, etc.

Looks like fun! Is there enough interest for a proper NE Bass bash then? I'm game...

Here's a high shelf (in this case boosting, but a cut works the same) and two high pass filters. The shelf affects everything below the cutoff equally whereas the hpf go from the cutoff to infinity. As a very rough rule, you'll use shelves for tone changes and hpf/lpf to remove unwanted crud. For instance, I high pass the snare drum, not because I don't like the way the snare drum sounds, but because I don't want to hear the kick drum through the snare drum microphone. The global high pass filter on the helix is really useful, you can crank it up for every patch on a boomy stage or set it back to 30Hz on a solid stage and you don't have to mess with the eq of every patch.

Hah! Indeed! There's a pretty good house PA in there, each side has 2 flown 15" traps and a big old 18" sub on the floor, so there was plenty mediocre bass playing for the audience, but not really enough on stage.

Useful yeah, but there's enough overdrives and other pedals in there that it's probably doable either way. The BDDI, Darkglass and Ampeg pedal models with correct compression and EQ should make a decent stab of it.

Two in a row for Team Helix.

This weekend I tried using one of our RCF 712 cabinets that usually pulls PA duty as the only stage source of bass. As a bass FRFR it leaves a lot to be desired to be honest. I know people are very happy with the 732, but the 712 just lacks the oomph of its bigger brother. Oh well, back to Barefaced.

Two 8R speakers in parallel would result in each cab being 4R. Solid state amps are usually fine with anything greater than their minimum load, so the OP's amp should be fine with 16R, or 32R, or 1047R.... Unless there's something special about the Orange amp I don't know about.

Depending on how long ago it was, you may be a little shorter though.

It's all contradictory though isn't it? Basschat think they're all boring, and yet they'll sell loads. They get rightly blamed for not innovating, but when they innovate (dimension, modern player) the innovations don't sell. They claim revolution, but they're all the same. I paid £700 for my American Standard P bass in 2003. I talked them down from £730. At the time I thought that was a little overpriced. £2k will buy a Limelight, it'll buy some Shukers, or a Dingwall. Mental.

This is so true. I'm a semi-regular gym goer (ex-fattie on my way down) so we do the measurements and such quite a lot to keep track of setbacks progress. As such, I'm pretty damn sure that I'm exactly 176cm after gentle day's work. That's around 5'9" but it'd have to be at least 6 foot if I believed everybody else about their own heights. Just look at celebheights.com to see how obsessed everyone (well, blokes) are over their height.

That's outrageous. How tall is it please? Some of us have been spending £100+ to get that kind of power that fits under a pedal train and that looks as though it'd fit.