SumOne

Fabian, Prophecy

It'd be a stretch to call this Reggae. Dubstep - but more on the 'Dub' influence than most:

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It's about 3 and a half years since this thread started. Since then I gave up on the multi cabinet idea as got an Ashdown RM 500 with a TecAmp 212 (4ohm 600w) it has always been plenty loud and low enough. Turned up above about half way starts to drown out the band PA and un-mic'd drum kit.

There's something that makes me feel a bit sad about it. Also, vinyl records being put on walls. Has a similar vibe to stuffed animal heads on walls. Trophies no longer doing what made them good.

I'm on the side thinking pull up banners look like you're at a corporate event (possibly fine for function bands playing at corporate events, not very rock n roll though). We've got a thick vinyl 2x2m (I think 3m long x 2m high might have been better) with metal rings and use big re-usable zip ties. It means a bit of clambering about at setup/down but we're yet to play a venue where there isn't something to tie it into behind the drummer.

I'd been ready to sell the Core (again!) as have taken to just using a separate tuner and the Compressor and EQ on my Amp for live use. But another good use occurred: Re-Amping for home recording. I was finding myself looking about for an interface (like the Focusrite which costs about £100), but actually, the Core probably does that interface job just as well for for Guitar/Bass/Keys. And the added bonus being the Re-Amping in a DAW and using Core for effects/EQ/compressor/amps and cab sims etc, and the effects are just as applicable for Keyboards and Guitar as for Bass (so I guess could also be quite useable for Drums and Vocals). I've been looking around for VST effects for home recorded Bass and Keys, lots are free, but it can be also an expensive business (e.g. just one VST effect like Tape Delay can set you back £50 or £85). So, stick with the Core , or sell it and spend the £ on an interface and VST? .......I'll stick for now but workflow will be a key thing.

I love bass synth sounds, but similar to what others have said - I've had a lot more success with keyboards than the cost and effort needed to do it on a Bass Guitar. Even cheap and small keyboards just lend themselves to that particular job better. I have got a Bass Guitar to sound good live with quite synthy sounding fuzz and octavers and modulation and envelope filter combinations though. On the live vs home - I find that isn't just synth sounds, everything needs adjusting for a Amp/Cab played at volume in a venue and fitting with the rest of the band. Usually I find what can sound really harsh at home/headphones sounds good in the live setting (Rat or Tonebender type distortion being my winners live - but can sound pretty horrible at home though, whereas some muff type fuzzes can sound good at home but very un-defined/mushy live). Generally, I've found live that more mid/highs are needed to be heard, and perhaps cut some low to stop it being too boomy.

I can't find a manual for the + online. Has there been a change in the parameters that can be adjusted for the effects? I remember it being a bit frustrating with the MS 60 that things like the Compressors can potentially do everything you'd want (knee, threshold, ratio, crossover, attack, release, tone etc.) but no one compressor does more than a couple of those things. You want crossover and threshold control, or attack and knee, or tone and ratio? ...not happening! At least, not happening with one single compressor effect. Another example is the Chorus, 'Ba Chorus' is the only one with cutoff adjust, the other three chorus 'flavours' do not, what if I want stereo chorus or chorus ensemble with a low cutoff? Ideally I'd like a 'Zoom special' of effects that has all the parameters available rather them each having limited control. Perhaps that's a processing power issue, or because they stick to emulating analogue pedals, but seems to miss out on what can make digital multi-fx really good - all that extra parameter control that you can't get from analogue pedals.

'Dad' by name and nature eh?! I'm pretty sure a variation on that joke has been wheeled out by almost every conservative (small c) parent regarding dance music for the last 40 years, and for disco, punk, dub, rock n roll, jazz etc before that. 'It's just noise!'

Unexpected highlight:

Steel Pulse at Glastonbury on iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0020srf/glastonbury-steel-pulse-and-brittany-howard

The Streets, Sleaford Mods, and Orbital (who have s song featuring Sleaford Mods) all on at the same time doesn't seem the best planning. Sleaford Mods Jason Williamson had a bit of a rant and swear about it on stage....but I imagine he has a bit of a rant and swear about his cup of tea each morning.

I dunno. You can get crushed in a crowd in a field, some stages/access can handle bigger crowds than others and I would think one of the main jobs of festival organisers is to understand popularity of artists/timings beforehand.

A C4 in this new hardware would be great.

There is a bit of that. But on a deeper level, apart from the last few hundred years, almost all musical enjoyment throughout human history would've been a similar thing of communal dancing to repetitive rhythms (often with supplements!), and probably not caring too much about the technical proficiency of the musicians - or not particularly revering them anyway. It's probably quite a modern thing to have the 'isn't he great at playing that instrument' side of music, and partly that's an ego thing for the musician.

I'm sure a lot of people do, but I feel they have missed out on something that's in some ways a bit of a deeper/communal side of music. Lots of people hate the other end of the spectrum where music seems mostly there for very skilled musicians showing off how technically proficient they are. In-between is the general thing that people appreciate good musicianship and putting a face to the music, but they don't generally care about how much practice and effort went into making the music or if the drums/bass etc were sampled or played live or made by AI.

Isn't that potentially quite exciting though? Partly, (or perhaps mostly) music is there to entertain, people don't really care about how it was made, and why should they? If AI can entertain people better than humans then perhaps that's a good thing in some ways? People who enjoy making music can still entertain themselves by doing that, and I expect there will always be people that value seeing good musicians playing live. But would it really matter if AI perfectly creates, say, music for me personally when I go for a run (linked to my listening habits, age, likes, blood pressure, heart rate, the weather etc). It could basically takes music theory and pre-existing music and re-interpret it and personalise it for the listener for their enjoyment. Most pop music is made by committee anyway and follows quite specific music theory, borrows ideas, re-interprets, re-packages, it's not really a personal human to human connection - just presents itself as that. I went clubbing a lot in the late 90s at techno nights, the whole concept seemed to be that the music was 'faceless' and sounded like something un-earthly and futuristic - while also somehow being something that somehow has punk influence and harks back to being tribal. It was all about people dancing together. and people didn't really care who made the music, or how it was made, or the technical musicianship needed. In some ways, I think that's quite a pure form of musical enjoyment, rather than massaging the ego of someone who's spent 1000's of hours learning to play notes quickly to impress people that don't have the same skill. Perhaps AI is the logical extension of that, people enjoy the music - not the effort that went into it.

Errol Dunkley, OK Fred. (Originally by John Holt)

Call me a cynic.... but take caution!

I suppose along with the whole 'offer what it's worth to you' thing is that the market value might not be quite what it seems to the seller (or buyer), so people get it wrong. Just because someone puts a Pedal/Bass etc up for sale and then the advert is marked as 'sold' doesn't mean it actually sold for that amount, or perhaps there's just one rich person out there that paid more than most people would, it doesn't mean the majority of people are then going to be prepared to pay the same amount or that it is now the fair market value.

Delroy Wilson, Better Must Come:

You're probably doing yourself out of sales/purchases with that attitude though. It doesn't have to be a big haggling ordeal, just offer what you think you'd like to pay and they might accept it or might give you another price. I mean, making/accepting offers is pretty much the done thing with anything second-hand: house, car, bike etc.