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[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1351860367' post='1856262'] That was a decent small speaker from the mid to late 1980s. They were designed to be positioned close to a rear wall to reinforce their bass response, and so they are better suited to a smaller room. I've never heard them myself , but by reputation they were a good speaker of their day and well regarded at the time. If they are really cheap and in good condition they might be worth a try , but if you are in the market for a used compact speaker like that it's worth considering that the market for affordable high quality smaller speakers really took off in the early 1990s as manufacturers realised that this is where most of their potential sales were, and some models from a bit later than these Kef C20s will sound markedly better. Some speakers that retailed at around the £120 to £150 in the early to mid 1990s sounded amazing for their size and can be had for a steal nowadays if you keep an eye out for the right model. My own personal preference is for Mission speakers.. The first proper speakers I got was a pair of 760is ( just seen these on ebay [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MISSION-760i-SPEAKERS-PAIR-OF-QUALITY-2-WAY-REFLEX-6-OHMS-/321011521452?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item4abdc717ac"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4abdc717ac[/url]) :and they were fantastic with a detailed and exciting sound , and in most respects they sounded as good as my current speakers that cost ten times as much. In the 90s Mission were ,for the most part, really on top of their game and came out with several cracking smaller ( and larger) speaker designs. They will still sound good now, but the only caveat is that spares for some models might be a problem. If you can get some for a fair price they are well worth a try nevertheless. I still have fond memories of bringing home the first Rage Against The Machine album and listening to Tim Commerfords' Stingray punching out of the speakers in my humble student bedroom and I'm sure they would give you the defined bass that you currently are missing. I'm only banging on about Mission because they are what I'm most familiar with and so can recommend from experience , but plenty of other makers such as Kef and Tannoy also put out some great smaller speakers back in the 90s. [/quote] Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep and eye on them, the KEF's are local to me and no bids yet, at £10 they're worth a punt

just seen some second hand KEF C20, does anybody know anything about them?

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1351801655' post='1855685'] There are a myriad of smaller speakers to choose from, and if you're looking to buy secondhand then there is almost so much choice as to be overwhelming. One thing to consider is the compatability of any prospective speakers to your amp ; if you want to turn them up loud then you will need some speakers that are reasonably easy for your NAD amp to drive. Most bookshelf speakers should be fine, but if you can look at the spec for any particular speakers then ideally they would be 8 ohms impedance with a sensitivity over 87db, or 6 ohms ideally with a slightly sensitivity. As for brands and models, some of the smaller Mission speakers such as the 760i or 780 are old favourites of mine and are well worth a punt if you see them cheap, or else something like Tannoy 603s or Tannoy 605 are a solid used buy even though they are from 20 years ago. Some smaller floorstanders will still work in a small room , and if you see something like some Rega EL8s at a sensible price they have got nice meaty bass and you won't need stands. [/quote] cheers Dingus, I won't be turning it up too loud though, sets the tinitus off lol

[quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1351793030' post='1855527'] The F30's do indeed have quite bloomy bass. A port plug might help. [/quote] I've plugged the port and it has helped, still not much bass guitar there though (really frustrating for a bass player), I fear I might have the bug again, damn this thread

hey thanks guys, I too suspected the speakers, they are big for the room I have them in now, I'll try repostioning and a port plug, any sugestions for smaller speakers that will enable me to hear the bass nice and clearly? Like the OP here I'd like something 2nd hand, say up to £100

there seems to be some cracking advice floating around on this thread so if I can go off on a slight tangent, my present set up is a rega turntable, Arcam Alpha 1 CD player , NAD 3130 amp and Celestion F30 speakers, and I hardly listen to it because I'm fed up with hearing all bass drum and no bass guitar, any ideas anyone?

I use a capo to avoid those pesky B and Bb chords at the nut end of the neck, talking of the nut it can also get round the problem of a badly adjusted (filed) nut, and of course it's an easy way of moving a song to a higher key

most stuff reminds me of something else these days, it's an age thing

[quote name='RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE' timestamp='1351197693' post='1848695'] I remember back in the day, NAD 3020..serious budget amp. Shame I blew mine accidentally. Got Cambridge audio now, highly recommend .) [/quote] I've got one of those, still going strong, not a crackle anywhere on the pots, that's a NAD btw

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1351185281' post='1848446'] Lack of studio compression. [/quote] yeah that was the point I was trying to make, clumsily, we're all struggling to get the right sound and JJ probably couldn't get it live

this has been done before several times, here's one [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/107133-the-jj-burnel-sound-early-stranglers/page__hl__stranglers"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/107133-the-jj-burnel-sound-early-stranglers/page__hl__stranglers[/url] has anybody heard him getting THE sound live? always sounded too trebley to me compared to the 1st album

of course the big thing is 'it's how you play them'. I've heard covers bands doing most of the songs mentioned here, sometimes I enjoy them, sometimes not, I always think that a crowd can sense when a bands just going through the motions, In others words if the band isn't enjoying it how the hell can you expect the crowd to.

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1350643512' post='1841588'] Don't know whether this has been done before, but here are the songs I hear most when I go and see a live 'covers' band. Admittedly, they [u]were[/u], and still [u]are[/u] great songs, but do WE still want to keep playing them, and perhaps more importantly, do the PUNTERS still want to keep hearing them? It would be interesting to see what songs you guys/gals come up with, and to hear your thoughts on playing the same old songs over and over again. 1. Mustang Sally 2. Brown Sugar 3. All Right Now 4. Born To Be Wild 5. Black Night 6. Sex On Fire 7. Brown Eyed Girl 8. Honky Tonk Woman 9. Maggie May 10. Can't Get Enough none of these [/quote] [quote name='Bassmonkey' timestamp='1350643656' post='1841593'] Teenage Kicks 500 Miles Whole lotta Rosie [/quote] all of these

been said already but, P bass, pick, oh lengthen your strap , can't agree with the kick drum thing, just feel the groove.

if you like the Stones you'll probably like this record, if you don't you probably won't.

it does say [url="http://thetopguitars.com/brands/Custom-Shop-Rickenbacker-Inspired-Guitar.html"] Rickenbacker Inspired Guitar[/url]

I know a couple of bands who've been through this, first one got on and got a bloody awful 1am slot at the festival, for them anyway, they're a accusticy originals band with no drummer, you can imagine how that went. The other band did the audition thing, with admission charge, in mid week which meant there was nobody there, and weren't told they were on till a couple of months before the festival by which time the singer had booked his holidays, as somebody else said amateur hour

isn't the riff very similar to Quo's Red Sky?

when I'm learning a new song sometimes I play along with the original using audacity, sounds ok when played back, until I play back just my bass bit, sounds a damn sight worse than this

being a failed guitarist and playing in a punk band I always use a pick, sort of rest the underside of my forearm on the top of the bass and my hand floats around so I can play nearer the bridge if I want less 'boom' espescailly on bottom E, as for changing strings I work out whether to start the pevious note or set of notes on the up or down stroke so I'm heading towards the string I'm changing too when the change arrives, hope that makes sense

most of the time audiences don't know whether it's the original bass line or not, but they do know if a band as a whole sounds good or not, although they don't know why, and that's the important thing

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1349371380' post='1825444'] Talking of the Ramones, I love this too. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjCvF4rQhI&feature=related[/media] [/quote] Don't want to be too pedantic, but we cover this one and it's actual off Joey Ramones solo album, and no I don't play it note for note, unusually for me I stick some extra ones in

[quote name='Bigjas' timestamp='1349350975' post='1825065'] I like to try and copy the original as close as my talent will allow. On some songs this is easy, on others I can't match the talent of the original player, so I will get as close as I can. When watching/listening to other cover bands, I like to hear it as I remember it from the original. Jas [/quote] This, apart from when I'm watching another covers band, then I like it when their bass player cuts more corners than I do

I think I'm underrated

[quote name='Wiggybass' timestamp='1349267267' post='1823977'] Hmmm...sorry, simply not true. This is physics and its principles govern all things regardless of marketing. Let's look beyond crappy, frequency-limited backline and into proper audio systems, like a big modern PA designed to deliver full-range audio to large crowds. In all modern systems the full frequency range is divided electronically into bands, usually four - HF, high-mid, low-mid and LF. HF is always produced by 1" or 2" compression drivers, the mids are usually tens or twelves and the LF is almost always some arrangement of EIGHTEEN inch drivers in ENORMOUS cabinets. Now, if all speakers could reproduce low frequencies with the same enthusiasm, why go to all this trouble? The answer, of course, is that they don't - they physically can't. The longer the wavelength you're looking to reproduce, the larger the device has to be. At 100Hz (the open G on a concert-tuned bass is 98Hz), the physical wavelength at sea level and 20 degC is 3.4 [i]metres[/i]. Yes, tens will do that but not with the same efficiency of a fifteen of equivalent performance and sensitivity. This of course all based on a one-speaker to one-speaker comparison. The practical issue comes down to how much cardboard moves in and out when you play, and thus how much air is physically displaced and then picked up by our lugholes. A 4x10 against a single 15 with the same amp power will be louder because it's moving more air but in frequency response terms it will not reproduce low frequencies as efficiently. Which incidentally explains why you're quite right about a 4x10 drowning out a single 15 - for those to balance in terms of physical loudness the 4x10 would have to be turned down a bit. As for variances between venues, again it depends. Reflex cabs are much more reactive to their surroundings than close or front-ported cabs, that alone would make a lot more difference than the size of drivers they contain. But surely that's what the EQ is for? [/quote] bloody hell, don't really understand that, but I do know when I connect my 15" speaker to my 2 x 10" combo it's got more grunt