Lw.

There's something wrong with the image on that link; it seems to be mashing two different necks together with an ugly plank beneath the strings - must be a glitch! Seriously though, Ibanez really are out of the blocks early in the ugliest bass of the year competition.

[quote name='AdamWoodBass' timestamp='1482243773' post='3198764'] Tried a 2017 P-Bass last week. Meh, it was ok. [/quote] What were the frets like? Noticeably tall? I have to admit, I don't think I've ever noticed whether my frets are tall or not so I'm curious to see how tall these ones are (I'll give on a go next time I'm in a shop, but just curious now).

[quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1482236326' post='3198659'] All this has got to be good news for domestic luthiers - now that boggo mass-produced CNC'd Fenders are into the price territory of the luthiers, people could choose a properly hand-made, perfectly-finished bass made to their own specification (within reason, at that money, but certainly within Fender limits) - the sorry fact being, though, that people will still buy the brand rather than the object... [/quote] Unfortunately domestic luthiers are going to have to put their prices up eventually too - they may have enough wood/parts in stock at the moment to allow them to cash in on boosted orders due to the Fender price but once they run out they'll find all their parts are costing more to import. I can't think of any UK luthiers whose instruments are 100% UK sourced, though would happily hear if there are any. Once they need new parts, I can't see many absorbing the higher cost - they'll pass it to consumers.

I must say I'm surprised, in recent years my experiences of new USA Fenders (various models) have been fantastic. Yes, you're paying ~15% premium for the logo but they really have been fantastic. As the American Standard's are being phased out is it possible that this shop has just got the bad ones left? Frets hanging over the edges of the fretboard is bad even for bad Fenders - I wonder what's going on? Lakland do make a quality bass though, so no surprise you liked the one of theirs you tried!

Or you can glue the cloth to a metal grill like TKS do. Means you get the protection of the metal and the cool looks of the cloth - I guess the downside is a little more weight.

I think the "lacquer" ones did but the normal ones potentially not.

Well you did say you'd "dearly" love to find it :-) Nothing wrong with someone not wanting to sell it - at least you know where it is now & times change, they might need the cash in the future & can give you a bell.

Just listened to that Andertons video; weirdly I thought the clean sound on the amp sounded really good but the over-drive stuff sounded woeful - reminded me of those Line6 Spider guitar amps from the early 00's. Strange because I was expecting the clean to be the weak point as Darkglass are more known for their distortion/over-driven sound in pedals. Maybe it was just the settings that guy (not the one playing the bass - I think he's normally a guitarist) was using. I'd still give one a go if I'm in a shop but maybe less likely to rush down & hear one.

[quote name='thegummy' timestamp='1481242510' post='3190995'] How could it shift with 4 bolts in it? [/quote] I can only assume the holes it the body were vastly wider than the screws? But even then I'd have thought if they were screwed tightly enough the friction between the two woods would have been enough to keep them still. If anything I'd have thought you would want a gap between the sides of the neck & the body as if they were tight you'd risk damaging the finish when removing the neck or when the two woods react differently to atmospheric pressures. Bizarre, still no closer to the explanation!

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1481202155' post='3190455'] Sadly mine had a terrible gap around the neck pocket so I returned it with heavy heart. [/quote] Slightly OT but I've seen this written three times on here in the last week, not to mention all the other references in the past; what are peoples problems with neck pockets? You mean it was really roughly cut so it looked bad?

New colours from Fender?! Nah - I get you, that makes it harder. I quite like the new Olive colour but not enough to spend 1500 on a bass that doesn't sound 50% better than the American Standards judging on that video up thread! We'll see - I'll be in the market for a new bass in the new year and I'm currently torn between a P-bass or a Streamer stage-1 (not that they're anything alike - I just fancy both of them really) so I'll definitely give these new fenders a go but these new pick-ups & frets are going to have to be incredible to make me go for one!

[quote name='JamesBass' timestamp='1481200680' post='3190425'] ... I want a new P currently...Fender were a genuine consideration. Now, I'm not interested in them. [/quote] There are still plenty of American Standards new in the shops, now that they've been discounted to a grand they're an absolute bargain - I don't think they can be beaten at that price.

Ok - I know the one you've got now! I really fancy one of the mid-late 80's ones with the wenge neck & one piece bridge - a couple came up on here for bargain prices a couple of years ago but I just didn't have the funds :-(

My first every amp was a Laney HC60 combo - I think that was the model name anyway. Late 90's/early 00's, got it used super cheap & it served me well for a good few years - girlfriend made me take it to the tip in the end, apparently the family of spiders living on the speaker was the final straw :-( Have tried one of those cheapish RB8 (or 9) more recently at a rehearsal studio; not bad for the money, better than the bass amps most other rehearsal spaces provide.

Nice - I do love a streamer, played a few in the past but am yet to own one (one day though)! 91 Streamer - is this the Wenge neck with cherry (?) body or had they changed to mostly maple construction by then? @jazzjames - that very much depends on the year of manufacture, they go from jazz-style thinness right through to full on baseball bat!

I haven't seen many pub level bands bringing spare basses/guitars, extras for different tuning yes but not just spares - how often are you seeing this? If you're seeing this a lot I would have thought it's because people seeming have more disposable income to spend on toys than they did in years gone by rather than the age of the actual musicians. I'd say it's different for wedding/corporate bands though, but I think that's because they're providing a different service & should rightfully come more prepared.

I don't really like gloss necks (or painted necks for that matter), I'm sure it's all mental as my guitar has a gloss neck & has never been sticky but for some reason my head thinks that they are sticky. My favourite neck finish is the one on my Warwick (Ovangkol neck) which feels/looks completely naked, though there must be some kind of finish on there.

Hmm - 4k seems toppy to me for a refin with new electrics, but if you've got the cash & love the sound/feel of the bass then why not I suppose. Personally I'd go for a cheaper relic or wait for a better example of a vintage bass to surface.

I've not played the 212 but the 115 is a nice cab (substantially nicer than the 410 IMO) - I'm not too sold on the isobaric/powersmart design in the 212, seems like a gimmick to me whereas the 115 is just a solid, no messing, good sounding cab.

I'd be buying a Squire P-bass - you should be able to use the amp-sims/compressors on your computer when recording to get the tone the rest of the way there.

Does your guitarist change their EQ mid-way through gigs? Jazz's can have a lovely tone but I've found they can be pushed out of the mix by what the guitarist is doing, this is why P's are often popular because they seem to hold their space more firmly (though sometimes don't sound as nice solo'd).

Barefaced one10 & an MB200 or LWA500 in a cajon bag.

I've tried them together; sounded good & is a perfectly acceptable stack - people have been doing 410+115 for years, it's only moderately recent fashion to match speaker sizes (whilst I do understand the theory, in practice it doesn't really matter). I'd have to agree with MM20 though; out of the Orange cabs, the 115 sounds much nicer to my ears.

Yes it's in the other thread but as you've discovered, quite easy to experience first hand. I wasn't laughing at you, it's just typical Bass Direct! Shame because they do generally know what they're talking about & stock some nice stuff, it's just the delivery that is often off.