Misdee

I nearly mentioned classic cars. That's a good analogy. Watches are also a suitably absurdist equivalent. Whatever watch you get, half past three is half past three. I completely understand why people gravitate to vintage Fenders.The idea that there is a divide between the actuality of what old and new Fender basses do is largely imaginary, that is my point. That, however, is with the huge caveat that the imagination is not a trivial thing. Its the most important thing.

And then I see something like this and change my mind.

I have no problem with people buying basses and selling them on at a profit. Good luck to them. No one is forcing anyone to buy them. You pay your money and you take your choice. To me the overarching question is,how much do you believe in vintage Fenders? Is the tangible difference between the old ones and newer examples really so significant that it makes sense to pay a huge premium for it? Or are folks who buy old Fenders nowadays paying for the intangible? And is the intangible worth paying for? I love old Fender basses. I've owned lots of them, all late '60s to mid-70s. Never had a pre-CBS, but played a lot of them over the years. I've currently got three post-2009 USA-made Fender basses that I bought brand new that are hands-down better instruments than any old ones I have had. They sound better, play better and are more reliable. Those are my priorities. Other people may have different ones when choosing a bass. Old Fenders are beautiful objects with a romance all of their own, if you've got one and enjoy it then that is a wonderful thing. But I would be very interested to put this 57 P Bass at 21.5 K up against a Mexican-made Fender Roadworn 57 P Bass, both for sound and playability. Would owning an old Fender bass that cost in excess of twenty grand really be much fun? However old and rare it is, when you sit down with it at home what you have essentially got is a P Bass. Not that different from any other P Bass. To me it would just be a burden. Others may feel very differently though, and I can understand that too.

Depending on the auction price and condition, this bass could be a bargain or a big mistake. Bear in mind that an auction house in Scarborough will have zero knowledge of the finer points of Zen and the art of bass guitar maintenance. Major structural repairs to the bass have the potential double whammy of being expensive and devaluing the bass at the same time. Buying a vintage bass that you have played that has potential but needs a bit of work is one thing. Buying a salvageable wreck in the hope that you will enjoy it when it's been renovated is another thing entirely. I would want to get my hands on the bass before I comitted myself. Even then, you wouldn't be able to assess the state of the pickup and electrics without a proper amplified play on the bass. Potentially a good find, though. I can understand the temptation to take a gamble.

I remember watching that Lyceum OGWT show the night it was first broadcast. It was timed to coincide with the release of the Duke album. A new Genesis LP was a big deal in those days. To me that live sound mix sounds just fine. Any congestion is probably symptomatic of Genesis trying to cram their live show into a relatively modest venue like the Lyceum. The band seem energised and the playing is top notch, as you would expect from musicians of that calibre. I am a casual Genesis fan, but I think Duke is a superb piece of work. The songs are really innovative and unusual but within an accessible mainstream rock/pop format. No mean feat. Turn It On Again is a masterpiece as far as I am concerned. One of my all-time favourite tracks.

Another part of that equation is the changing role played by the record company in financially support tours back in the day and compared to now. I would like to point out that I have no problem with people making money from high ticket prices for music events. I'm a firm believer in the Free Market economy. People can charge whatever they want and I can refuse to pay it. On reflection,very few bands I have been to see play in the last must be fifty years now (!) have been worth more than £10 in today's money. The vast majority weren't worth a fiver. And that's to watch them play. To watch them talk (like Geddy Lee is gonna) I would expect them to pay me. Nowadays I'd much rather go see a fledgling unsigned band or even some kids playing at a youth club than the vast majority of established acts. And as for the stadium rock concerts by big name bands that people pay lots of money too see, I wouldn't open my curtains to watch any of them even if they were playing in my garden.

You are quite right. But lots of bands did make money playing live back in the old days, just like they do now. The other thing that has changed is that an industry has grown up around live concerts that mostly didn't exist 40 years ago. The ticket prices fund that superfluous industry.

I went to see Rush in concert on the Permanent Waves tour in 1980. The ticket cost £4. That's about £16.50 in today's money. Bands and music business types will tell you that the economics of touring have changed. I would tell you that a few trucks, a P.A , some lights and a load of fellas with long hair are not that different in 2023 to what they were back in the olden days, nor are the practicalities of touring.

Bongos are truly wonderful instruments, my favourite "hifi" bass for a long time now. I prefer it to a lot of basses three times the price. Super powerful tone that cuts through any mix and never sounds weak or gutless like so many hi tech bass do. And yes, the two band midrange on the preamp is very useful, but boost it very sparingly to avoid overloading your input stage.

Geddy Lee is an iconic bass player but £66 to go listen to him promote his book? Most of what he's got to say will end up on YouTube anyway, no doubt. The amount people are expected to pay to see live events and buy merchandising has gone increasingly crazy over the past few decades, and the public are partly to blame for being daft enough to enable the escalation in prices. There is no writer or celebrity from history or alive today that I would pay £66 for the privellige of dragging myself out of the house to listen to them selling their latest product.

Sally Nugent and a gherkin. I'm living the dream.

Both. I was first turned on to The Man With The Horn in 1982, soon after it was released. I was still listening to it in 1985.

I was listening to those two albums back in 1985, and I still love them now. Both such an inspiration to me as an aspiring bass player. I remember my bass teacher playing me The Man With The Horn back in 1982 and extolling the virtues of the then largely unknown Marcus Miller. Credit to him, he knew how to spot a talent. He also did a remarkable job of analysing and recreating Marcus's playing style and techniques just from listening to the records and watching a South, Bank Show special on TV about Miles Davis. Most people didn't even have VCRs in 1982, and YouTube was not even dreampt of. Such a different skill set required than nowadays when we have unrestricted access to information about practically everything.

1985 was significant for rock music because Live Aid heralded end of that music being anti-establishment. After 1985 everything to do with popular music was coopted into the mainstream. I remember the 1980's as if it was yesterday. It was great, but crap at the same time. Lots of great music, lots of great bass playing on chart records but lots of crap food in the supermarket. Like Findus French Bread Pizzas. It was like eating partially burnt polystyrene topped with molten plastic and raw courgette.😟

Back in 1985 I was listening to Sting, Thomas Dolby, the Smiths, Prefab Sprout, Tears For Fears and whatever else was in the charts and on Radio 1. That's all there was in those days. I was also listening to a lot of old music from the 1960s and 1970s, it has to be said. Like Robert Palmer, Joni Mitchell, Steve Hillage, Frank Zappa, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Stanley Clarke. I've always had very middle-aged taste, looking back now.

Mid-1980s Saxon. Wow. The unacceptable use of spandex, lycra and hairspray by men who were way too old and way too northern for it to be legal. It's still not too late for the culprits to be brought to justice.

An Explorer makes perfect sense then...

As for mid-life crises, this bass is definitely a cost-effective option compared to a divorce, a blonde and a sports car. I would love to know what genre of contemporary music you are performing for this bass to be an appropriate choice. Looks great though, and I hope you have lots of fun playing it.

I recently tried a set of Dunlop flats and they are indeed rather splendid. They've got some of the raspy midrange of La Bellas combined with some of the clarity and articulation of Thomastiks, my usual flatwounds of choice. Overall I would describe the Dunlop flats as having a thick chewy sound that most players would probably find very satisfying. I really like these strings.

Yes thanks, I was looking at the white one in Peach Guitars just the other day. It's just that bit too heavy. I'm holding out for a good example at the right weight. I think I will be lucky to find one, though. Nowadays 9.5 pounds is my cut-off point for the weight of any bass. I know from experience if it weighs more than that I just won't want to get it out and play it. I'm getting to an age where I've got enough aches and pains without uneccessarily giving myself anymore.

My BB P34 weighed 9.5 pounds. I've seen them a little bit lighter and a bit heavier than that. If I saw a Vintage White P34 around 9 pounds I would buy it.

I would have to credit Sadowsky with the whole Jazz Bass with a preamp trend that had become so prevalent by the early 2000's. It was Roger that put a preamp in Marcus Miller's bass in 1979 and he is synonymous with excellence in that style of bass. Where Fender have consistently fallen short is in developing their own preamp that can challenge the best on the market, like Sadowsky and John East ect. The Fender Victor Bailey was a tweaked version of the standard American Deluxe preamp of the era that I am well familiar with seeing as I had that bass back at that time. That preamp was okay but nothing special, from what I remember. The VB may be a different proposition, maybe someone out there has done a comparison, but I would contend that the Sadowsky preamp is a class above anything Fender have produced.

EVH didn't just have the chops,he had the tone and feel as well. I remember reading an interview in Guitar Player magazine a very very long time ago in which Eddie was expressing his admiration for guitarists like Brian May and Eric Clapton because of the richness of their sound. He had the same warmth in his tone, and it was a big part of what made his virtuosity so enjoyable . That first VH album was the biggest game changer in rock guitar since Hendrix more than a decade earlier. Michael Anthony is a good bass player too. I've heard some people put him down but I really can't see why. He's obviously a very capable player and he did a great job in Van Halen.

I got a chance to see the footage yesterday and it made me hanker for the world as it was back in those days. VH were at the peak of their powers and going through the gears with ease. It's an era that's long gone, and instead nowadays we have got an array of bedwetters doing the festival circuit trying to outdo each other with competitive virtue signalling. I don't remember Van Halen bleating about environmental issues, gender equality and Third World debt. They just got up there and did their thing.