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It just shows how old school I am that a five string bass is extended range to me.🙂 Those big basses never really became a mainstream trend though, did they? If Flea had adopted one it could have been a different story. Maybe.

I am really interested in how this turns out! Keep us posted. 🙂

Extended range basses really started coming to the fore in the late 1980's, not the 2000's. Maybe in the 2000's they reached a different audience with the advent of progressive metal players adopting them. I remember the Ken Smith 6 string being a game changer in so much as it had wider spacing so you could actually adapt to playing it without spending several months in seclusion trying to adjust to 15mm spacing. I remember the first ones arriving at the Bass Center at Wapping around 1987-88 and they were selling them like hot cakes. They were all either spoken for or sold within a few days. And by the late 80's/early 90's five strings were de rigueur. You had to offer an excuse or explanation for why you didn't have one. For me, in the 2000's the main trend was mainstream bass players going increasingly retro, leading to the fetishization of all things vintage that we enjoy today. In the 80's/90's a trendy bass player would have spent his money on a brand new Trace Elliott stack and revel in its clean power. The same bass player today would spend his money on a vintage Ampeg B15 and marvel at its historical authenticity. Presumably also when it's authentically knackered and being repaired again.

I haven't played a CS Pino, but reading your previous post about favouring late 60s/ early 70's P Basses( my favourite era too), I would draw your attention to the much wider nut width on the Pino, and earlier P Bass reissues in general. If, like me, the primary reason you favour late 60s/ early 70s Precision Basses is because of the narrower nut widths Fender started to offer as an alternative to the 1 3/4 inch that was previously standard then you might well struggle with a bass with a wider nut. I don't particularly enjoy playing 4 string basses with a 1 3/4 inch nut, and if you are the same then I would steer clear of any P Bass with that dimension. If you're spending that kind of money make sure you get something you like, not something you have to adjust to, because you probably won't, if you see what I mean. Most decent P Basses sound fairly similar, in my experience, ie like a good P Bass. Boutique examples offer a better playing experience rather than a radically different tone to a fairly standard Fender. In terms of tone I have never heard a Custom Shop Fender that was incontrovertibly better than or particularly different to a regular USA- made Fender, so I wouldn't stress too much about the sound. Find a decent CS P Bass bass that suits you and chances are it will sound Ok.

According to Freud, the compulsion to collect stems from toilet training and an unwillingness in the infant to relinquish their faeces. That is the psychology behind collecting anything, if you accept Freudian psychology, anyway. Regarding collecting basses, my own experience is that I have often bought basses that I absolutely need to own, but in practice don't particularly need to play, if you see what I mean. I must just like the reassurance of having those options available should I choose them.

I think the Bongo is a beautiful bass. It's also a wonderful instrument in use. I remember when they were first unveiled and I thought the EBMM were going to be inundated with demand. I couldn't wait to get one myself! I still find it hard to understand why so many people object to the look of the Bongo, and I'm sure most detractors have never actually seen one in the flesh or indeed played one. The three dimensional chamfering is very attractive when you see it up close.

Funnily enough, not so long ago I found the old (or should I say"vintage") pair of BHS underpants I used to use to polish my first ever Fender bass that was my pride and joy about forty years ago. It's a strange thought that if my music career had gone slightly different ( i.e if I had had one) they might be worth a few quid as memorabilia, especially if I had a road case for them that could be auctioned as a separate item.

I saw him playing a lovely old Fender P Bass with a blocked and bound Jazz neck and what looked to be a Badass bridge and Di Marzio pickup a few years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if he had kept that one. I think that's the bass his custom USA Lakland P was supposed to emulate.

That's a proper Yamaha bass!

Well, to me the Warwick is a bass of the 1980s/early 1990s. I suppose by the early 2000s Warwick's marketing had shifted its focus more towards the modern rock genre, giving their basses a bit of a different media profile. According to my recollection the early 2000s bass trends were characterized by a preponderance of active Jazz-style basses and the burgeoning revival of the Precision Bass, especially with flatwound strings. These trends were primarily influenced by Marcus Miller and Pino Palladino respectively. And they are still with us twenty years later.

Let's face it, you probably need a pair of wooden balls, or something similarly robust, to fork out so much money on items that won't necessarily be great investments in the long term. I am a big fan of John McVie's bass playing but I am sceptical that the tools he has used are imbued with magical properties making them more valuable. Will collectors in 20 or 30 years time still believe in Fleetwood Mac? As the baby boomers pass into history, will the generations that follow place such importance on the artists of that era? Only time will tell. The only magic I would pay these prices for is if John McVie had found a way to make his Alembics balance properly on a strap in a comfortable playing position and weigh less than about 9 1/2 pounds. And even then, if John McVie doesn't want them, why should I? Presumably the basses he is keeping offer some advantages over the ones he is getting rid of.

Thanks for that fascinating insight. I have wondered about these basses for decades, with the likelihood being that I would never get my hands on one. Maybe Stanley Clarke likes neck-diving basses, because his Alembic Signature model is inherently prone to it, too. Bear in mind Stan is a big bloke, so he is dwarfing a short scale bass. I get the impression that he is such a virtuoso that what would be big physical challenges for lesser mortals don't bother Stanley Clarke.

Lovely basses with a great sound for any genre of music, modern or retro. The passive pickups on these basses sound so huge they put a lot of active basses to shame. Looks good in black,too!

That's a lovely bass,Ped. Plays great, sounds great, looks great, light weight. What more do you need? Sounds like a keeper to me. I remember being particularly enamoured of Vigier basses when the Bass Center at Wapping introduced them to the UK in the mid-1980s. The have always had that distinct Gallic design trait of being effortlessly stylish yet understated and functional. I don't think any of them sound like a Rickenbacker, but Vigiers have always stood out in comparison to a lot boutique basses in having a fairly gutsy sound that is suited to dense, heavy music. That's maybe why rock players have gravitated towards them over the years. To be fair, I have never found any bass that sounds like a Rickenbacker except a Rickenbacker. That's probably because no one has been brave or clever enough to recreate something that is as individualistic, compelling and eccentric as a Rickenbacker bass.

I've made some tentative inquiries and calculations about how much a full tilt USA Spector would cost at the moment. It depends on the spec,of course, but about eight thousand quid or so for a really nice one, so far as I can work it out.

Wooden Dildo would be a great name for a folk rock band.

I've certainly overlooked some of the basses I have previously bought.

Very true. Rickenbacker basses are a pretty esoteric design, though. I would contend that the Fender is more an easier design to get along with for most players. That said, I know Paul McCartney is on record as saying that he never really felt comfortable playing a Fender bass, so that very topically illustrates your point. I know that by the time Revolver was recorded Paul had his Rick, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had still used his Hofner on some tracks, just like he did on Let It Be.

True, but how many folks on Basschat spend more time talking about playing bass and related issues than actually playing? I suppose you have to accept that for a lot of folks talking about their pastimes is a big part of what they enjoy about them.

I've been streaming this album from Tidal through my pretty good ( but fairly old) hifi system and it sounds very acceptable. The new stereo mixes have some detailed and even holographic in places. Having a decent DAC makes a big difference in the quality of sound you get from streaming, and Tidal is definitely better than Spotify premium. The whole vinyl v CD v streaming debate is a complicated one in so much as which turntable system v which CD player v which streaming system ? A lot of the major hi-fi manufacturers have long since abandoned CD and endorsed steaming as the inevitable future of audio. It's inevitable that streaming will develop even greater levels of fidelity. My take on it all is that streaming can sounds very good, and it's very convenient!🙂

It's just that every time I play a Rickenbacker bass I am reminded why I've never gotten one before; I grew up playing Fender basses and the Rick feels so alien I can hardly play it! The non-tapered neck completely throws me. And the strings keep hitting the pole pieces on the pickups and making loud clunking noise. I just love the sound and the look so much I can't give up on the idea. When I first started playing the bass I wanted more than any other was a Rickenbacker. Come to think of it, I probably started playing the bass just so I could get a Rickenbacker, such was their allure. I didn't want to be a bass player so much as a Rickenbacker owner. Now it's forty-odd years later and I still haven't had a Rick. But never say never...

That is good to know. If it were not for the pound being tragically weak against the dollar I would be doing my sums regards buying the USA NS bass I have always deserved. As things stand, it not even worth bothering.😕

When I first started gravitating towards Yamaha BB basses the thing that surprised me the most was how unlike Fender basses they sounded. They have a tone which is quite apart from the typical P/J Fender fare. The active JJ arrangement on the NE is even more boutique-sounding. I can totally understand whern folks compare it to something like a Ken Smith rather than a typical Jazz Bass-style 5 string.

I suppose a pertinent question is are Spector basses as great as they once were? Now that Stuart Spector has retired and Korg have taken over the company, I would be interested to hear from Spector afficionados if the basses are still made to the same standard

Listening to this album has made me hanker for a Rickenbacker bass even more, by the way.