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[quote name='Anthony Joseph Wiaczek III' post='1124574' date='Feb 12 2011, 01:23 AM']...Story: Bad health issues means operations haha so had a gig and head shaving for charity (Raised £350 for music and the deaf). Still bald at the moment and not happy with it but jobs must be done haha.[/quote] It suits you better.

I've been playing 7 string bass for 15 years now and couldn't do without out the freedom that the extra.... oh no hang on.... I just play 4. Carry on.

Drugs are bad m'kay.

[quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']Mate, I am sure you are a lovely bloke and I hate to see anyone argue on BC...especially me! But look at it from my perspective.... The "Meanwhile..." comment was plain rude and would only just be acceptable even with a smiley.[/quote] Mate get over it. It was tactless perhaps but I don't know what else you want from me. I have apologised. I'm sure people have said worse to you. And I know you have said worse to others. [quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']You make a comment about opinions but seem absolutely determined to prove that mine are wrong.[/quote] Looking at it from "my perspective" of how things actually work compared to what people think they do, can you blame me? Despite what you think, I don't want to prove you wrong. I just don't want people searching these boards for helpful tips to necessarily believe that aspects of what you have said are informative and substantiated by fact. I'll stand up for the the right for anyone to express an opinion, rightly or wrongly. But the licence to use this right carries responsibility. [quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']You are reading things into my posts that are not there so suite your argument.[/quote] Ironically enough, it was pointed out to me this is what you were doing about my posts. [quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']I never said boost or claimed anything similar.[/quote] In post #27 you said.... [quote].....The output is significantly improved.....[/quote] [quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']To be honest I feel like I am being picked on. Even icastle is having a go at me for being offended by clearly offensive comments.[/quote] You called him a tool.... You didn't really.... But you did. It is the most defamatory thing to have been said by anyone in this thread. [quote name='paul h' post='1121809' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:39 PM']You are obviously a knowledgeable guy and all I know is what I have experienced and what I have heard. So is it ok if I just ask you a few questions and you can tell me where I'm "going wrong"?[/quote] If you honestly want me to comment on where I think you are "going wrong" I will have to respectfully decline. If you want to ask me questions on P bass wiring then shoot, and in the spirit of Basschat I will try to the best of my ability to pass on what I know.

[quote name='paul h' post='1121782' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:28 PM']So what I have learnt in this thread is that replacing low quality components with high quality ones does in no way count as an upgrade. That the electrical signal from pickups to output jack is not affected in any way whatsoever by the components and connections in between in any way that can be detected audibly.....[/quote] Which thread was that in?

[quote name='paul h' post='1121747' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:13 PM']Oh that's right. He apologised about the smiley [i]after[/i] I made the trolling comment. I'm sorry my lack of time machine is distressing you.....[/quote] Actually you posted it while I was formulating my rather long winded reply/apology. I'm not sure my apology would have been so genuinely heartfelt had I seen what you'd written about me.

[quote name='dougie' post='1121575' date='Feb 9 2011, 05:08 PM']Yea once again totally agree,[b]but forgetting improvement in sound quality[/b]......[/quote] [quote name='dougie' post='1121575' date='Feb 9 2011, 05:08 PM'].... one thing we all have in common is having fun,seriously no reason here for guys falling out over a debate about a lump of wiring.....peace.[/quote] Amen.

[quote name='LawrenceH' post='1121553' date='Feb 9 2011, 04:46 PM']Changing pot values (eg 250k to 1meg) has a potential effect on tone, and obviously changing log to linear will alter how volume/tone changes across the range of the pot in question. Cap value also. Before getting stuck in to the argument about whether it's going to make a difference or not, you need to know what is being swapped for what! E.g. I've had basses where tone controls did nothing, were all or nothing, or had a smooth effect right across their range. Getting this last one is a worthwhile upgrade. Perhaps the cheap basses in question have had pots that were way out or poorly chosen cap values, etc. The wiring itself, though, it's such a short distance and signal levels are so low that changing this is hardly going to have any effect at all, I'd be amazed if anyone could hear it unless the wire that was being replaced was practically microscopic.[/quote] Word up. Keep up the trolling with your facts and good science.

[quote name='paul h' post='1121333' date='Feb 9 2011, 01:23 PM']Don't apologise, it's nothing you have done. It's a Basschat phenomenon where a few trolls have decided to have a pop for no reason. In this one they have decided that electricity doesn't exist. In another thread they will deny wood has any effect. It's sad really but it does go on here a lot.[/quote] Seriously? I'm a troll. What does go on here a lot which is even sadder is that opinion gets confused for fact.

[quote name='Metalmoore' post='1121319' date='Feb 9 2011, 01:11 PM']Hmmm, seems i should have searched the forum abit more to find out who done this. Never meant to start all of this... Sorry?[/quote] Dude this was absolutely nothing to do with you.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']Rather ironically I just typed a long reply and accidentally deleted it! I am sorry to hear of your bereavement and you have my sympathy. Always tough times. Back to the matter in hand. First off, joining a conversation and commenting on someone else's opinion using the phrase "Meanwhile, back in the real world." Is just plain rude. Can you give me one real life example where you would get away with talking to someone you barely know like that? I know we have both been on this forum forever but we have hardly interacted in any way at all until you decided to imply that my opinions were a fantasy based upon someone else's thoughts.[/quote] I wholeheartedly apologise for my comment and the light in which it has been taken. But I stand by MY intent which was far less sardonic than you thought. If you knew me better than you'd know I am practically incapable of being intentionally rude (it's just not in my nature). This is possibly a good example of where a smiley may have saved the day. [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']Next look at what you insist are the facts, that swapping a wiring loom has no positive effect. So to do that, let's look at some other facts.... In this thread the information I have given is as follows: I bought a Jim Deacon bass, I decided to upgrade the wiring loom, I noticed a difference and I will now considered doing the same mod to other cheap basses I have or might buy. Now let's look at your comments... You feel that the word upgrade does not apply here. Well, replacing low quality components with higher quality components is the very definition of upgrade. It is quite simply what the word means. Whether the the original components work or not is irrelevant. At the very least you add longevity and reliability by improving component quality. The reason you feel the word doesn't apply is that you don't see what benefit a new harness will have. Did you hear the original one? Have you heard the new one?[/quote] There's absolutely nothing wrong in fixing something that is broke and I covered that earlier. It's probably best not to presume what I can and can't see regarding a P bass circuit. But as I stated earlier I have never been able the "hear" one. [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']You contradict your self later by mentioning the capacitor. Do you know what was used on the original harness? Do you know what rating the new one is?[/quote] Where is the contradiction? A capacitor does not a loom make. A capacitor is only a component of a loom - and the only part of the equation that can change tonal characteristics. Notice I said "characterisitcs" and not the tone itself. Also I believe I only said it "may" include a different value capacitor then gave reasons why (in your defence) it might make a difference. I would not presume to tell you what you did and did not hear. [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']So the original harness has low quality components and bad soldering. Even I can see that. Occasionally the jack socket cut out. The pots were a bit crackly and didn't turn very smoothly and switch cleaner didn't help. The pots actual operation was not very cool with all the action happening over the last quarter turn. And the bass had a lower output that I would expect.[/quote] If it's broke fix it. [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']The new harness has great big chunky components held together with very neat, nice shiny solder. The jack socket is rock solid and doesn't cut out. The pots are really smooth and affect the sound through their full range of movement. The output is significantly improved. [b]I perceive a fuller bottom end I concede this may be just my perception..[/b] Or it could be connected to the improved output and might be something to do with capacitor? I don't really know.[/quote] I rest my case. Oh and I'd be interested on you thoughts how a passive circuit can boost output. (it's a wee speciality of mine) [quote name='paul h' post='1121061' date='Feb 9 2011, 10:21 AM']So now, tell me again that the quality of the loom has no affect on performance. ...[/quote] I do not believe it would change anything if it did.

[quote name='paul h' post='1120608' date='Feb 8 2011, 08:43 PM']Nope. Still not going to bite. Good try though.[/quote] I still have no idea why you are being like this.

[quote name='dougie' post='1120510' date='Feb 8 2011, 07:57 PM']Good point,id agree that changing a barrel wouldnt be beneficial merely for the sake of it,but Hanson writes"I'm a total convert. After fitting one of KiOgon's harnesses in my Jim Deacon I think it's mod right up there with changing pickups. In fact I am thinking of going for a jazz style one for my Retrovibe. "......that tells me HE found it beneficial in which case i wouldnt try altering his opinion,plus the guys modding a £60 bass and since changing the cheap harness wouldnt cost much i probably would too whilst it was stripped to the guts,end of the day m8 as i said customising be it even from a headstock sticker to the full hardware change is individual......each to their own.[/quote] I'm trying to cope with a bereavement here so would rather not be involved in this right now but seeing as I won't get any sleep tonight.... We seem to have got off on the wrong foot here. Would you like to point out where I've tried to change anyone's opinion please? You have clearly misunderstood my intentions... which I suppose could account for your "bollox" to me comment. My purpose for posting in the thread is merely to offer some balance to wary modders that may be passing through who could be mislead by opinion outweighing fact. I don't think I need the ethos of customising explained to me but thanks for your take on it. You say that the mod doesn't matter as long as the modder is happy. Ok but I personally believe that a mod has more merit if it actually changes something... and not in some placebo effect way. A point I'd like to make is that the word "upgrade" was used when describing swapping out the loom. Upgrade implies improvement. Well if someone can hear the difference between one piece of wire or pot to another then I guess that it's an upgrade. Sadly I can't make such a claim as I only have human ears. A loom swap may include a different value capacitor - changing this single component (which retails for a few pence and takes about 30 seconds to desolder the old one and put the new one in) will account for a slight change in tonal characteristics but it would be a mighty big step to suggest that the aural difference would be akin to changing the pickups (unless of course you were changing the pickups for pretty much identical ones..... or overstating a product on someone's behalf) and so would be pointless swapping out the whole loom for. I am not going to comment on specific harness as they are not the subject of this thread. I do think that ready made looms are fantastic for saving 10 minutes (maybe 5 minutes in the case of a P bass ) knocking up your own one when doing a project from scratch. But if modding is your thing then why not actually do it yourself... and the P circuit is probably the best place to start. After all where's the satisfaction in bolting on off the shelf gear into your bass and calling it your own mod?

[quote name='paul h' post='1120456' date='Feb 8 2011, 07:09 PM']I just typed a long reply but deleted it. I'm not going to bite because I know you're just trying to wind me up![/quote] I assure you Paul I have no such intention. I don't even have a clue why you'd think I have any cause to either? You may PM me if you like - to keep this thread clear.

[quote name='dougie' post='1120309' date='Feb 8 2011, 05:24 PM']If your chuffed with it m8 it is"the real world",thats what any customising,in any area,bike,car,guitar etc is about....creating something YOU want/like....In an ideal world we would all own all the top gear that cost a bomb,except im Scottish,a race by nature thats tighter than a ducks arse and despite bass being one of my loves,the only way i would spend 2 grand plus on any guitar is if it was special.....special as in does 185mph like my bike,gave mind blowing oral and took me to the pub etc......way off topic but basically saying others might think your/mine/his ideas are a bit "unreal",but as long as yer happy bollox to anyone else ,let them live in THEIR real world.end of sermon...[/quote] Would changing the ignition barrel on your bike be a life altering experience? Would it increase performance, save energy, look nicer or make your ride any better? In MY world it wouldn't. That's not to say that someone who didn't fully understand the workings of an ignition barrel wouldn't feel a benefit from simply changing one, just because someone else told them that there would be a benefit. In MY world replacing parts which already function and have no impact on performance, comfort or aesthetics with equally functional parts only more expensive is not an upgrade. I'd rather save my dosh and put it toward remapping the ECU or something that actually mattered.

[quote name='redstriper' post='1120264' date='Feb 8 2011, 04:40 PM']Why do you presume that - have you seen the OP's name ? [/quote] Good point.

Sandberg Cali PJ edit - I presume you mean bridge J pup.

Meanwhile back in the real world...

[quote name='Metalmoore' post='1119767' date='Feb 8 2011, 08:53 AM']Any chance the person making these harnesses would like to make themselves known to the whole forum? I fancy one for my Sue Ryder Bass[/quote] What do you hope to gain by replacing the harness?

[quote name='noelk27' post='1118310' date='Feb 6 2011, 09:34 PM']Yea, the electrics were unusually distorted for a G&L of that period. One of the pots was certainly suspect. The preamp didn't seem to operate in one of the toggled modes as it should. And it was one of the light ones - alder body?[/quote] It shouldn't have a pre it's passive. The 'tronics have either suffered the ravages of time or have been interfered with. There's only one guy I know of that knows how to fix it correctly too.

It's not completely unheard of, although usually the bobbin top comes off on it's own leaving the coil in place. It is caused by applying too much pressure with the thumb and/or occasionally when digging in hard the E string gets caught under the edge of the bobbin and pops it off. With some skillful soldering this pup could possibly be saved but as it stands it is fecked.

Check [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180621494795&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123"]this[/url] Mine pre-dates it by a couple of months. Perhaps times are a changin'.

[quote name='MythSte' post='1115300' date='Feb 4 2011, 02:07 PM']I'd say that's where a lot of Pino's tone is though.[/quote] Fair enough but if you start with a broad pallet in the first place then you can fine tune to desired tone much easier be it with your amps controls etc. or the position you play from.

Could we see the listing, so we may draw our own conclusions of the exact wording in context?