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As long as people are polite and respectful there should be no problem. People are different, flawed, nobody is perfect or invulnerable. Times change, people change, attitudes change. There really has to be tolerance, respect and forgiveness or it is going to get really ugly out there.

If this thread does not harm relationships between any number of basschatters, it'll be a miracle.

Very nicely put!

Also, if he's intending to vote in a party intent on dismantling much of what makes us great on the basis of having unquestioningly accepted a load of fear-mongering inaccuracies he's going to be called out on it. Because it's not about "differing opinions" - it's about cynical populism being used to serve the interests of the few rather than the many. And that's why it has to be talked about: if grandad thinks we're being overrun with imported paedophiles who are being handed Ipods as they enter their luxury hotels, surely he needs to be disabused of this. If he genuinely thinks people are inferior by accident of place of birth then he's having Christmas dinner elsewhere.

Can we just agree that punching downwards isn't a good thing?

I frequently visibly wince at large gatherings of the oldies. I suspect that you would explode. I have to remind myself that they grew up in a different time and place and even the most enlightened and educated amongst them use terms that are now outdated and not appropriate. They are not evil people though.

Whisky In The Jar - Thin Lizzy

Not everyone whose planning on voting Reform is a racist bigot, but all the racist bigots will likely vote Reform. I don't care if it is cuddly Uncle Albert, if he's a racist bigot who is incapable of changing his mind, he can f*ck off.

Really? Pretty much all of my family over 70 have views I don’t agree with. I certainly wouldn’t fall out with them because they are going to vote for Farrage. I think they are delusional buffoons living under the illusion life was better in the 1950s but I bear them no malice whatsoever.

This is a clear straw man argument and I think you play 4 string basses without ever questioning why.

But would you seriously fall out with family members for having different opinions? Oi Grandad you may be 87, an ex steelworker who saw action during the Suez Crisis but frankly your views on gender identity and pronouns are unacceptable?

Well they have arrived and I've stopped grumbling about the VAT "mistake". They landed much sooner than they said they would, it should have been nearer the 10th and it was the 4th 👍 I'm very pleased with the quality and feel of them. The purple front has a "classy" look / feel we wanted and the rear has our contact details / QR code printed clearly. 👍

No, of course not, that's what makes the world interesting, but certain demographics want nothing more than to control and destroy anyone who doesn't agree with them, those f*ck*rs need a slap. With a Tomahawk.

I certainly don’t expect that all demographics or socioeconomic groups would have the same views as I have. That would be both exhausting and depressing.

I've read this thread with interest, and not a little disquiet... In a band with bigots? No. None in my life either, and that includes family, they get called out and told why they're being cut loose and then they go. It's a hard and fast rule. I'm minded of the current meme "You're looking for the tolerant left? They're down the hall, this is the f*ck off and die you f*sc*st m*th*rf*ck*r left." Carl Popper coined the Paradox of Tolerance, in that if a tolerant group tolerates an intolerant group, the tolerant will be disrupted and destroyed by the intolerant. Fascism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, the list goes on. These are not tolerant people and should be confronted and combated wherever they appear. Fascism in particular, with it's rising profile again across the world, is not to be tolerated or debated, it is to be fought and destroyed. We learned that a lesson in 1939-45 and it cost millions of lives, that we are having to deal with it again simply means nearly all the people who remember the bitter evil of Nazism are now dead, and the people in power are making that same mistakes of appeasement or co-operation. "No politics" is a great rule for a forum of bassists, so let's get back to discussing how many strings is the right number, and what they should be made of... Tonewoods anyone?

I have a similar selection of things that could do it ( Boss BR-80, a couple of different Bass Pandoras, a Zoom multi effects pedal, a small mixer, a Roland Fantom 08 etc), but I've always wondered why it can't just be included like it is on some EUBs and acoustic instruments.