Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Due to my hearing impairment from years of gigging, I need to have my cabs at ear height or I just can't hear any top end. I find that virtually all the venues we play at don't have beer crates any more. I struggle to find something suitable. Someone lent me a portable lightweight camping table to try. It was spot on height-wise, but a little too flimsy, even for my ultra-light Markbass rig. Anyone else have this problem and has managed to solve it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Using in ear monitors has been the solution for me. Also,since using the Gramma pad I seem to be able to hear my amp better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Been thinking about the in-ear monitor route. Mmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I don't use any top end so it's not an issue. Maybe taking something to tilt your cab back on to would be more convenient? I think Markbass do some folding wedge thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='774398' date='Mar 14 2010, 04:03 PM']I don't use any top end so it's not an issue. Maybe taking something to tilt your cab back on to would be more convenient? I think Markbass do some folding wedge thing.[/quote] I thought about the tilt-back but I feel more comfortable with the cabs raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexbasscat Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I was pondering this very topic this morning following the first outing of a new rig with two GS112's on Friday. I thought the extra height would help the whole band to hear the bass guitar a little clearer in the on stage setting, without increasing the overall volume. The choices at this point were - To stack the GS112's on their sides to gain the height for the top cab. Not sure how this would affect the performance of the speaker cones themselves however. - To carry some kind of purpose built stand. The least preferable option as it would involve more carrying. Perhaps there are other solutions ? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='774421' date='Mar 14 2010, 04:33 PM']I was pondering this very topic this morning following the first outing of a new rig with two GS112's on Friday. I thought the extra height would help the whole band to hear the bass guitar a little clearer in the on stage setting, without increasing the overall volume. The choices at this point were - To stack the GS112's on their sides to gain the height for the top cab. Not sure how this would affect the performance of the speaker cones themselves however. - To carry some kind of purpose built stand. The least preferable option as it would involve more carrying. Perhaps there are other solutions ? T[/quote] A couple of years ago I posed the problem to my girlfriend's uncle, who is an engineer. I was then using an Ashdown Mini115 and 408 rig. He built retractable legs into the bottom of the 115 cab. You pulled each leg out and tightened them with a built-in thread. It was quite ingenious and although the legs were a tad wobbly, it served the purpose. I got some ribbing about it, though, from other band members. I'm tempted to have him do this again on the New Yorker 604, but I think it would devalue the cab. So any other solutions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 It'll only devalue the cab if you're expecting to sell it, and if that's the case then obviously it still isn't the right cab for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='BigRedX' post='774457' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:18 PM']It'll only devalue the cab if you're expecting to sell it, and if that's the case then obviously it still isn't the right cab for you.[/quote] So sell it and buy something taller. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='BigRedX' post='774457' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:18 PM']It'll only devalue the cab if you're expecting to sell it, and if that's the case then obviously it still isn't the right cab for you.[/quote] Maybe so, but these are the right cabs. I should also mention it was quite a big job getting it done and also the new cabs aren't as tall, and so would hinder the correct height of the legs. Or something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='774467' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:26 PM']So sell it and buy something taller. Job done. [/quote] Why didn't I think of that...d'oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 A bit obvious but don't you carry any flightcases with you? That’s what our guitarist puts his 4x12 on to ensure that he can hear himself (along with everyone in the room / town)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyl Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='Pete Academy' post='774378' date='Mar 14 2010, 03:48 PM']I find that virtually all the venues we play at don't have beer crates any more.[/quote] Never thought about it before but you're absolutely right! How do people paint their ceilings, trim tall bushes and put the fairy on their Christmas trees nowadays? And what are kids throwing into canals and rivers for fun these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='guyl' post='774472' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:38 PM']And what are kids throwing into canals and rivers for fun these days?[/quote] Kittens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Could you raise one of your cabs on a stand? Here's a cheap one that goes quite high: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amp-Stand-Foldable-Adjustable-Lightweight_W0QQitemZ190281680197QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConsumerElectronics_EquipmentStands_SM?hash=item2c4dac0545"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amp-Stand-Foldable-A...=item2c4dac0545[/url] I have a similar one which is more adjustable, i need it to be horizontal to put a head on top: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Guitar-combo-amp-equipment-stand_W0QQitemZ380209830674QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MusicalInstr_Access_RL?hash=item5886459b12"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Guitar-combo-amp-equ...=item5886459b12[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='peteb' post='774470' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:32 PM']A bit obvious but don't you carry any flightcases with you? That’s what our guitarist puts his 4x12 on to ensure that he can hear himself (along with everyone in the room / town)![/quote] Don't carry flightcases, Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='guyl' post='774472' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:38 PM']Never thought about it before but you're absolutely right! How do people paint their ceilings, trim tall bushes and put the fairy on their Christmas trees nowadays? And what are kids throwing into canals and rivers for fun these days?[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='lemmywinks' post='774514' date='Mar 14 2010, 06:28 PM']Could you raise one of your cabs on a stand? Here's a cheap one that goes quite high: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amp-Stand-Foldable-Adjustable-Lightweight_W0QQitemZ190281680197QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConsumerElectronics_EquipmentStands_SM?hash=item2c4dac0545"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amp-Stand-Foldable-A...=item2c4dac0545[/url] I have a similar one which is more adjustable, i need it to be horizontal to put a head on top: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Guitar-combo-amp-equipment-stand_W0QQitemZ380209830674QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MusicalInstr_Access_RL?hash=item5886459b12"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Guitar-combo-amp-equ...=item5886459b12[/url][/quote] Good suggestions. I've looked at amp stands but the cabs are pretty deep. I'll take another look. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='Pete Academy' post='774469' date='Mar 14 2010, 05:28 PM']Why didn't I think of that...d'oh![/quote] In fact, I think I'll get rid of the 604's and buy an 8 x 10". Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyonbass Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Saw a band a while ago where the bass player used a black and decker workmate thingy to raise his amp with. Didn't look great, but I suppose you could cover it with something. Spoke to the guy and he'd had the same issue with loss of top end before using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='andyonbass' post='774554' date='Mar 14 2010, 06:55 PM']Saw a band a while ago where the bass player used a black and decker workmate thingy to raise his amp with. Didn't look great, but I suppose you could cover it with something. Spoke to the guy and he'd had the same issue with loss of top end before using it.[/quote] Cheers. If the cab is too low, I just hear the low end and not the note definition. Any beginners out there, get some earplugs. You be thankful in years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyonbass Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='Pete Academy' post='774567' date='Mar 14 2010, 07:04 PM']Any beginners out there, get some earplugs. You be thankful in years to come.[/quote] [size=4]+100!![/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 [quote name='Pete Academy' post='774542' date='Mar 14 2010, 06:47 PM']In fact, I think I'll get rid of the 604's and buy an 8 x 10". Job done. [/quote] That's pretty much my approach to this particular problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 I love those cabs. Can't imagine how well the new 4 x 8" will sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) How about [url="http://www.k-m.de/MIXER-STAND.3+M59858a278fa.0.html"]one of these[/url]. I have one which used to support the very heavy synth and sampler rack for a previous band. Fantastically strong and well made,not cheap but worth every penny. Edited March 14, 2010 by BigRedX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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