Drum N Bass/Dubstep

[xgsjx]

[quote name='Duarte' post='984000' date='Oct 11 2010, 01:47 AM']And 'pharmaceuticals'[/quote]
Anadin?

[phil.i.stein]

found this whilst looking at fx on talkbass



there's a load more clips too, just haven't got around to seein'em all yet.

more to be had here :

[url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=707596"]http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=707596[/url]

Edited October 30, 2010 by phil.i.stein

[pantherairsoft]

Frigging Awesome. Thats the bassist from Miloopa. Love their album 'Unicode'. he and the drummer from Miloopa did a session at Bassday a few years back if I recall.

He has some great ideas… but a pedal board even bigger than John Davis!

[Sibob]

Love that last vid! Some amazing ideas and techniques!

I'm getting into all this with my Dub-steppy Hiphop band, slightly limited funds (no double Mooger Froogers and Moog bass pedals for me)....but its fun anyway. I've found the best tool at my disposal so far is the OC-2 with no direct signal (obviously playing an octave higher than you normally would), some chorus on it, sounds very dub!

Si

[Sibob]

[quote name='pantherairsoft' post='947860' date='Sep 7 2010, 12:35 AM']Octave is always going to be the D&B friend. I have 3 presets, but mostly use octave down with no original signal. Flavoured with soft chorus. That's the mainstaple of my sound.[/quote]

Just reading back through the thread and saw this......couldn't agree with you more...as I've put above

Si

[pantherairsoft]

[quote name='Sibob' post='1008727' date='Nov 1 2010, 05:07 PM']Just reading back through the thread and saw this......couldn't agree with you more...as I've put above

Si[/quote]

Yup!

My main sound is the OC2 with either EBS Unichorus OR my Guyatone Phase Shifter. I have been tempted by the Markbass Chorus/Flanger... But decided against it as it won't fit on my board! Lol.

[tayste_2000]

[quote name='Jarhead' post='707868' date='Jan 10 2010, 05:08 PM']As I recall, his board is pretty damn big, I'll see if I can dig a picture out somewhere.

'77 jazz bass --> boss tuner --> boss OC2 --> passive DI for discreet sub channel at FOH --> zvex wooly mammoth fuzz (or maybe a crowther prunes and custard... the ol' brain box is a bit fuzzy) --> moogerfooger mf101 (with an ancient EMU expression pedal from my Emulator II) --> cheap ibanez synth wah pedal --> really really cheap ibanez 'soundtank' flanger (that i found in a rehearsal space) --> Line6 DL4 delay modeler --> DI --> WalterWoods amphead --> whatever speaker cabinet is around --> RE20 (or another good mic)

That's a quote straight from John Davis, bassist of Nerve, 11/1/2008.

oc2>mammoth>orbit>noisebox>bugcrusher>moog>fatman

That was his touring rig from 16/7/2009

OC-2 (Output splits to the key in on the Fatman) into Zvex Mammoth into Copilot Orbit into Subdecay Noise Box into Bugcrusher into Moog LPF (with Expr and Robot Factory Exp Modulator) into Fatman into 201 into Boss RV3/5?

That was Tayste over on Talkbass, accurately describing his board at Namm 09.

I looked around for about 20 minutes, but I couldn't find an actual photo of the board at any point, which was irritating. He has a fantastic tone, and if you look for him on Talkbass (username: JohnDavisNYC) then you could probably get more info straight from him.

Zach[/quote]

Here is an interview I did with John Davis

[url="http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/interview-with-john-davis-of-nerve/"]http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/...davis-of-nerve/[/url]

Plenty of pics and info on his gear

[phil.i.stein]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='1009386' date='Nov 2 2010, 10:20 AM']Here is an interview I did with John Davis

[url="http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/interview-with-john-davis-of-nerve/"]http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/...davis-of-nerve/[/url]

Plenty of pics and info on his gear[/quote]
thankyou tayste, i've only just started watching the clips, some great stuff...

[fatgoogle]

This thread is very interesting.

Say i wanted to get some stuff to play Dub step and possibly play with a rather good(well i think he is anyway) i know. Things like borgore, rusko and more drum and bass type stuff.

From what ive read here a octave up and down, flanger, maybe an auto wah.

But i dont get Low filters or whatever they are. Do they just cut the high frequencies. What can you use for this.

Whats the basic setup you can use for those real deep sounds.

Thanks
Sam H

Edit: and a fuzz.

Edited November 7, 2010 by fatgoogle

[pantherairsoft]

Octave down and chorus is a great start. Add fuzz for the synth sound. Bit of delay or reverb for atmospherics.

That will do to get you started.

Low pass filter is effectively a system that cuts the too frequencies, mixed with an envelope filter for a wah esque sounds... Effectively let's you do deep sub sweeps like a classic synth.

Start with octave down...

... Then it'll all go wrong from there!

There is so much you can achieve (I unleashed my sound on Phil.I.Stein the other day... As him!) but it's easy to get carried away!

Edited November 7, 2010 by pantherairsoft

[fatgoogle]

Thank you good sir. IS a big muff any good and also good for active and passive bass's.

[phil.i.stein]

[quote name='fatgoogle' post='1016646' date='Nov 8 2010, 06:05 PM']Thank you good sir. IS a big muff any good and also good for active and passive bass's.[/quote]
my very limited humble experience led me to conclude that the green big muff pi was an awesome fuzz pedal. i get the impression that it suits passive basses better than actives, but each to their own..

[DanOwens]

Guys I promise I'll not keep posting this, but I think my blog is a good resource for the aspiring synth/bass guitarists.

[url="http://mrdfowens.tumblr.com/post/1479171384/concepts-of-modular-synthesis-for-the-bass-guitarist"]
CLICKY HERE!![/url]

[Tuco]

[quote name='DanOwens' post='1016936' date='Nov 8 2010, 09:22 PM']Guys I promise I'll not keep posting this, but I think my blog is a good resource for the aspiring synth/bass guitarists.

[url="http://mrdfowens.tumblr.com/post/1479171384/concepts-of-modular-synthesis-for-the-bass-guitarist"]
CLICKY HERE!![/url][/quote]
+1 i agree Dan , great blog

[pantherairsoft]

Cool Blog Dan, very informative…

Here is a short sample from our Jam on Saturday, using the effect setup I currently have. This is all done on the strings with my effects pedals, no loops, sequencers or samples and no midi…

It is missing a lot of bass from the recording, but was just a DI from the amp and its lost quite a bit (Drums sound rough too, this is done with just an overhead mic and was all improv')… Just an idea of the textures we are creating…

I aim to re-record this soon but will mic up the cab for a fuller sound…

[attachment=63417:08_NEW_TRACK_EDIT.mp3]

Edited November 8, 2010 by pantherairsoft

[TomTFS]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='1009386' date='Nov 2 2010, 10:20 AM']Here is an interview I did with John Davis

[url="http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/interview-with-john-davis-of-nerve/"]http://www.tonefactor.com/blog/2010/07/22/...davis-of-nerve/[/url]

Plenty of pics and info on his gear[/quote]

That is forking awesome. Not heard of them before, spending alot more time with my FM4 and OC3 now though.

[DanOwens]

New blog titled [url="http://mrdfowens.tumblr.com/post/1680664923/implementation-of-modular-synthesis-for-the-bass"]'Implementation of Modular Synthesis for the Bass Guitarist'[/url].

Got any additions I should be including?

Dan

[pantherairsoft]

[quote name='DanOwens' post='1036441' date='Nov 25 2010, 03:02 PM']New blog titled [url="http://mrdfowens.tumblr.com/post/1680664923/implementation-of-modular-synthesis-for-the-bass"]'Implementation of Modular Synthesis for the Bass Guitarist'[/url].

Got any additions I should be including?

Dan[/quote]

There should be some mention of delay or reverb… there is almost always some form of slow decay or fade-out to a traditional synth sound. The tone ending as soon as the string stops vibrating often sounds very unnatural… I think its fair to say that many of us using similar setups use a fair bit of delay…

Now you're going to point out the bit where you mentioned it and I over looked it aren't you!

(Thanks for the mention on the Guyatone PS3 as well….)

Edited November 25, 2010 by pantherairsoft

[Tuco]

[quote name='DanOwens' post='1036441' date='Nov 25 2010, 03:02 PM']New blog titled [url="http://mrdfowens.tumblr.com/post/1680664923/implementation-of-modular-synthesis-for-the-bass"]'Implementation of Modular Synthesis for the Bass Guitarist'[/url].

Got any additions I should be including?

Dan[/quote]
hi dan
credit to you for another great blog m8
only additions i would make would be the mention of a few more iron ether products: oxide fuzz , cygnet tap tempo tremelo, and the soon to be released bubble chamber ( i believe nicknamed "the dubstep pedal") & tetravox octaver.. this guy is innovative, hes changing the game with his line of effects in my humble opinion...
while you didnt want to mention any phasers id happily mention the moog mf103
which kinda opens up the CV can of worms... how foogers interact with each other (as you well know) is incredible, which kinda leads me onto controllers : MP201 & CP251
am i getting carried away???

[pantherairsoft]

Not carried away...

Controllers are important! I use 3 foogers, controlled by an MP-201 and a single separate EP-2... The MP-201 gets used a lot for it's controllable LFO abilities (driving the FreqBox with different LFO's makes the pedal mental!)...

I think external control units and life manipulation should be a whole blog post on it's own!

Shep

Edited November 25, 2010 by pantherairsoft

[Tuco]

[quote name='pantherairsoft' post='1036840' date='Nov 25 2010, 07:51 PM']Not carried away...

Controllers are important! I use 3 foogers, controlled by an MP-201 and a single separate EP-2... The MP-201 gets used a lot for it's controllable LFO abilities (driving the FreqBox with different LFO's makes the pedal mental!)...

I think external control units and life manipulation should be a whole blog post on it's own!

Shep[/quote]
theres certainly enough to write about to warrant a blog of its own............... dan???? lol

MP201 is next on my list, i use a CP251/EP2s to keep my foogers talking to each other at the minute.. which is fine,they do have some interesting conversations but my feet cant always keep up with them!!

[pantherairsoft]

[quote name='Tuco' post='1036852' date='Nov 25 2010, 08:00 PM']theres certainly enough to write about to warrant a blog of its own............... dan???? lol

MP201 is next on my list, i use a CP251/EP2s to keep my foogers talking to each other at the minute.. which is fine,they do have some interesting conversations but my feet cant always keep up with them!![/quote]

The MP201 is a crazy beast... With so much it can do. After weeks with it, I'm only using 2 of it's preset banks out of the 99 odd in there... Soooo versatile. My main bank of settings is - 3 channels with the FreqBox (Frequency by Expression, Waveform by Triangle LFO and Env' Amount by Saw Down LFO) and the 4th channel on my RingMod (Frequency by Expression).

My Low Pass Filter has it's cutoff controlled by a separate EP-2.

The combinations of sound from that bank of controls alone are endless!!!

[Tuco]

[quote name='pantherairsoft' post='1036878' date='Nov 25 2010, 08:23 PM']The MP201 is a crazy beast... With so much it can do. After weeks with it, I'm only using 2 of it's preset banks out of the 99 odd in there... Soooo versatile. My main bank of settings is - 3 channels with the FreqBox (Frequency by Expression, Waveform by Triangle LFO and Env' Amount by Saw Down LFO) and the 4th channel on my RingMod (Frequency by Expression).

My Low Pass Filter has it's cutoff controlled by a separate EP-2.

The combinations of sound from that bank of controls alone are endless!!![/quote]
your REALLY not helping my G.A.S !!!!!!!!!

[pantherairsoft]

Ha!

Picked mine up from a Shop on eBay... They are asking £300 BIN... But they are accepting 'Best Offer'... And I can confirm they accept considerably less!!! Here - [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Moog-MP-201-Multipedal-/250644892724?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3a5b998c34"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Moog-MP-201-Multiped...=item3a5b998c34[/url] - Came with a US 2 pin plug, but a £4 US-UK adapter from Maplins sorted that (Or you can buy a replacement UK one from DV247).

If your anywhere near Nottingham soon your welcome to come see what it can do with Moogerfoogers...

Shep

Edited November 25, 2010 by pantherairsoft

[Tuco]

[quote name='pantherairsoft' post='1036900' date='Nov 25 2010, 08:37 PM']Ha!

Picked mine up from a Shop on eBay... They are asking £300 BIN... But they are accepting 'Best Offer'... And I can confirm they accept considerably less!!! Here - [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Moog-MP-201-Multipedal-/250644892724?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3a5b998c34"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Moog-MP-201-Multiped...=item3a5b998c34[/url] - Came with a US 2 pin plug, but a £4 US-UK adapter from Maplins sorted that (Or you can buy a replacement UK one from DV247).

If your anywhere near Nottingham soon your welcome to come see what it can do with Moogerfoogers...

Shep[/quote]
bless ya, thats really decent of you m8.. i shall bear that in mind

i darent look at that link though... not this side of xmas at least.....




(well maybe just a "little" peek!)