1 6 2 5 Turnaround

[Robbo]

Morning Folks just wanted to ask a question about the 1 6 2 5 turnaround if I was on a Blues jam playing a standard 12 bar blues if when it comes to the turnaround on bars 9 to 12 could I play the 1 6 2 5 turnaround or would the Guitarist or other musicians need to play it too? Or if they was playing the typical 1 4 5 blues progression would I have to play this too? Just asking just in case I wanted to step out of the usual and spice it up a bit, thanks in advance.

[Mrbigstuff]

Breaking it down with the example of playing in F.

The VI chord is Dm (DFA)

The I chord being F (FAC)

By playing the I triad over the VI you’d turn it into a Dm7 chord.

 

The II chord is Gm (GBbD)

The IV chord is Bb (BbDF)

By playing the IV triad over II you’d turn it into a Gm7 chord.

 

Therefore this shouldn’t cause an issue as it’s common to incorporate the 7th in a blues and both the original chords are minor.

[Robbo]

27 minutes ago, Mrbigstuff said:

Breaking it down with the example of playing in F.

The VI chord is Dm (DFA)

The I chord being F (FAC)

By playing the I triad over the VI you’d turn it into a Dm7 chord.

 

The II chord is Gm (GBbD)

The IV chord is Bb (BbDF)

By playing the IV triad over II you’d turn it into a Gm7 chord.

 

Therefore this shouldn’t cause an issue as it’s common to incorporate the 7th in a blues and both the original chords are minor.

Thank you for your information unfortunately my knowledge is limited…. I’m a late re-starter I dabbled with Bass and Guitar years ago but gave up for years and have started learning again at the grand old age of 64, always liked the Blues and was just dabbling, I would like eventually to learn some walking bass lines but over the Blues I think Jazz is way beyond my skill level at the moment. But trying to learn a bit of Theory.

[TimR]

I have a great app on my phone called Chordbot Lite. 

 

You can program chord progressions in and then play along. 

 

I'm sure there are other apps and PC programs but this is incredibly simple and intuitive to use. 

[chris_b]

2 hours ago, Robbo said:

Morning Folks just wanted to ask a question about the 1 6 2 5 turnaround if I was on a Blues jam playing a standard 12 bar blues if when it comes to the turnaround on bars 9 to 12 could I play the 1 6 2 5 turnaround or would the Guitarist or other musicians need to play it too? Or if they was playing the typical 1 4 5 blues progression would I have to play this too? Just asking just in case I wanted to step out of the usual and spice it up a bit, thanks in advance.

 

You can try playing 1 6 2 5 on your own, see how it sounds. Maybe 2 5 1 would sound better if the guitarist isn't joining in. Most keys players should know what you are doing, but even something that simple can flummox a lot of guitarists. . . . and a lot wouldn't even notice you weren't playing the usual 5 4 1 turnaround.

[mcnach]

1 hour ago, TimR said:

I have a great app on my phone called Chordbot Lite. 

 

You can program chord progressions in and then play along. 

 

I'm sure there are other apps and PC programs but this is incredibly simple and intuitive to use. 

 

+1 for the Chorbot app, very useful and supereasy to use.

[itu]

3 hours ago, Robbo said:

I would like eventually to learn some walking bass lines... 

If you know the notes of chords, you can walk. First you should learn two beat (two half notes per bar, I and V), and then four beat (quarters, play I I V III). 

 

Say you see a C7, you play C E G Bb (I III V VII upwards) or C Bb G E (I VII V III downwards). The next chord gives you the first note, and the position in the fretboard suggests the direction, up or down. Then you can modify the walk by octaves, triplets and other melodic, and rhythmic ideas. Do not forget two, and four beat here. 

 

Start with a slow version of Autumn leaves. Listen to it a couple of times. Find the chords and start playing. Make it slow, starting from two beat, and you'll amaze yourself. 

[Terry M.]

8 hours ago, Robbo said:

Morning Folks just wanted to ask a question about the 1 6 2 5 turnaround if I was on a Blues jam playing a standard 12 bar blues if when it comes to the turnaround on bars 9 to 12 could I play the 1 6 2 5 turnaround or would the Guitarist or other musicians need to play it too? Or if they was playing the typical 1 4 5 blues progression would I have to play this too? Just asking just in case I wanted to step out of the usual and spice it up a bit, thanks in advance.

If you play the 1 6 2 5 and it sounds good then the answer is yes in my books regardless of whether the other musicians play it or not.

[Bagman]

try iii / vi7 / ii / V7 / next week 

[Dan Dare]

And then 3, flat 3, 2, flat 2. Always fun to run a few substitutions. 

[Misdee]

Could I just say how refreshing it is for someone to ask a question about actually playing the bass.