How was your PA last night?

[Pirellithecat]

22 hours ago, Phil Starr said:

Was this just your in-ears? Are you using ZS10 Pros? I find these do have some pretty striking resonances and unless your in ear fit is near perfect they can sound this way. I've ended up first of all with the tripkle flange ear tips that go deep into my ear canals and ultimately with moulded ear tips and they've improved matters. There is quite a pronounced mid range suckout too, they are far from flat, see below. I'd start by trying to get a great fit but then filtering out the sub 50Hz content and boosting 100-1.5kHz to flatten out the response, or at least being aware of the response when you eq.

 

The other thing is that the audience experience of your bass looks to be pretty good and I find the live sound of my bass compared to my practice sound is really mid dominated and thin and clacky might be a good description. If you've got your bass well forward in your personal mix then you aren't hearing what the audience hear. Even if you aren't using ZS10's the mid suckout isn't rare in headphones I'd still be looking to check for a good fit and looking to boost low mids a little for bass.

 

 

 

Thanks Phil,   THe IEM's are Shure SE215's  -  I'll start a thread .... I think I've found a way to do a specific EQ for the bass plus "The Band" into IEM mix.  But could be completely wrong!!!! 

[jezzaboy]

Well Saturday night being the first time I tried using the EV 12" sub didn`t go the way I thought it would. Due to the pub being in the centre of town unloading was a real pain and I had to move the car round into the multi storey so time was a bit tight for an 8pm start.

 

I used the venues DBR 12`s along with my sub but as soon as everything was powered up, there was a loud rumble type feedback from the sub. My mic was in line about a foot away from the sub/top so it may have been coming from that but even when I turned down the sub volume the noise was still there. As I was in a rush I just turned the sub off and went full range with the speakers. The DBR`s didn`t get any feedback from my mic.

 

I am thinking that possibly I didn`t have the sub connected right as it was very low down and beside the wall. It worked ok at low volumes in my home but I should have taken it down to the studio and spent some time on setting it up correctly so a lesson learned.

 

 

 

 

[Phil Starr]

43 minutes ago, jezzaboy said:

I am thinking that possibly I didn`t have the sub connected right as it was very low down and beside the wall.

 

It's hard to say without a lot more detail but putting a sub next to a wall is going to effectively double it's output on top of the reinforcement from the floor. I think having any mic within a foot of a sub is going to create issues. The sound coming from the sub may not sound very loud but at those frequencies the mic 'hears' better than you do. All of the sound from the sub is omnidirectional The tops point most of the sound away from the mics but behind the subs is just as loud as in front.

 

Using subs isn't as easy as plug and play, be prepared to turn them right down, keep them well away from any mics and consider whether you need to use HPF. It may sound counter-intuitive to filter the bass from your subs but if sound below 50Hz is causing feedback problems and sets off room resonances it has to go. Percevere and you'll get there

[zitherman]

Used our newly.aquired 2nd hand rcf 710s for the first time.Although the venue was small and the speakers werent pushed at all initial.impressions are they seem to suit vocals and accoustic instruments a bit better than the srm 450s we used to have.Time will tell when we put some bass and kick drum through them

[Phil Starr]

1 hour ago, zitherman said:

Used our newly.aquired 2nd hand rcf 710s for the first time.Although the venue was small and the speakers werent pushed at all initial.impressions are they seem to suit vocals and accoustic instruments a bit better than the srm 450s we used to have.Time will tell when we put some bass and kick drum through them

Our duo use RCF 310's as our only PA. I've posted here about them a couple of times but it was last weekend's PA. We are pretty loud as a duo up with the levels of a few full bands. This gig was in an old converted cinema so a big barn of a place. We were pretty loud and the sound was really good, vocals especially but drums (programmed) and bass also loud and clear. The difference between the 310 and the 710's is that the 710's use a better mid/bass unit. With the 310's being so capable I don't think you will have an issue with bass and kick with your band.

 

Let us know how you get on though. It might help others if you put up a link or two that I looked at, so they can get a picture of what you are doing with your 710's

[zitherman]

Cheers Phil.im  slow with this adding links and phone technology but ill have a go.Till then a brief description of us is double bass,banjo 2x vox and a suitcase bass drum playing bluegrass,country  and songs you might not expect given the instrumentation

[Chienmortbb]

2 minutes ago, zitherman said:

Cheers Phil.im  slow with this adding links and phone technology but ill have a go.Till then a brief description of us is double bass,banjo 2x vox and a suitcase bass drum playing bluegrass,country  and songs you might not expect given the instrumentation

Hayseed Dixie Tribute?

 

[zitherman]

Haha. We did support them at a gig a few years ago.We covered a boo hewerdine song called hummingbird.Turns out their banjo player produced an album for alison brown which featured that song.We come from a different angle eg,prefab sprout,peter gabriel,blackstreet etc.cheers