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[Mickeyboro]

Why is there this expectation of a continuing royalty/percentile?

 

Because without the creators music would not exist for Spotify to profit off the back of. 
 

I see the aforementioned Mr Ek made another $118.8 million selling some of his shares in April. Wonder if he can write a song?😂

[Mickeyboro]

 

Double post😂

Edited June 5, 2024 by Mickeyboro

[Mickeyboro]

 

Triple post😂

Edited June 5, 2024 by Mickeyboro

[Mickeyboro]

 

Ferchrissake!😂

Edited June 5, 2024 by Mickeyboro

[NancyJohnson]

4 minutes ago, Mickeyboro said:

Why is there this expectation of a continuing royalty/percentile?

 

Because without the creators music would not exist for Spotify to profit off the back of. 
 

I see the aforementioned Mr Ek made another $118.8 million selling some of his shares in April. Wonder if he can write a song?😂

 

Royalties pre-date Spotify.

[meterman]

28 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said:

 

 

This might sound a bit naive, but the whole royalty thing is a bit odd to me and I find it difficult to actually put down in words as to why.  As I said earlier, personally I don't expect to be getting a reward for work I did 30 years ago, so why shouldn't the same apply to music/film/books/media creators?  They've done the job of creation, so why is there this expectation of a continuing royalty/percentile?

 

 

 

Other folks on here will no doubt have better explanations of this than me, but in my case, the first album I had out with a band was in 1993. It got radio play at the time and a couple of tracks were used on TV shows. I received PRS royalties at the time and still do now, albeit much less.

 

Unfortunately the label we were signed to turned out to be wrong’uns and to date, we have never received a penny in sales, despite owning our own masters, and challenging them in court (they went bankrupt to avoid paying any of their artists).
 

So if someone wants to play a track from that album on the radio or use it for a tv sync or whatever, they have to pay us - PRS will collect the fees whether we ask them to or not.

 

If, 30 years on, someone wants to use one of my old songs they can pay me for it, or choose to use some other music. Maybe royalty-free perhaps? Songwriting royalties just work like that. If I was a brickie, or a carpet fitter, or an astronomer then it would be a different story. Their one-off work from 30 years ago is done. But royalties are what they are, and I’m glad of them.

[tegs07]

2 hours ago, Mickeyboro said:

The median estimated compensation for executives at Spotify including base salary and bonus is $240,842, or $115 per hour. At Spotify, the most compensated executive makes $450,000, annually, and the lowest compensated makes $53,000. Estimated salaries.
 

GIVE THE MUSICIANS A FAIR SHARE!!

Spotify gets criticised frequently and there is some justification. However it is worth mentioning that before Spotify there was Napster and Pirate Bay who were killing musicians and record companies alike and providing a rubbish service as well.

The Playlist is worth a watch. Its a fictional account of Spotify but contains a lot of fact. Ultimately the reason that musicians continue to get screwed over by streaming has a lot more to do with the record labels than the technology or companies providing the streaming service.

[Mickeyboro]

51 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

Spotify gets criticised frequently and there is some justification. However it is worth mentioning that before Spotify there was Napster and Pirate Bay who were killing musicians and record companies alike and providing a rubbish service as well.

The Playlist is worth a watch. Its a fictional account of Spotify but contains a lot of fact. Ultimately the reason that musicians continue to get screwed over by streaming has a lot more to do with the record labels than the technology or companies providing the streaming service.

Fair point. Apparently Spandau Ballet found ‘packaging deductions’ applied to their downloads by the record co!

I wouldn’t say the music business as it was worked in favour of musicians, but at least the record companies promoted their acts. Spotify to me is a bit like the venue that wants bands to play cheap/free ‘for the exposure’.

[BigRedX]

15 hours ago, Mickeyboro said:

I wouldn’t say the music business as it was worked in favour of musicians, but at least the record companies promoted their acts. Spotify to me is a bit like the venue that wants bands to play cheap/free ‘for the exposure’.

 

If you are not signed to a record label and taking advantage of their publicity machine (and lets face it these days that's the main reason to be signed to a record label), then it's up to you to do you publicity, or pay some to do it.

[Mickeyboro]

[Stub Mandrel]

I have Amazon Prime and I could use Amazon Prime Music for learning songs - it's noticeably higher quality than youtube and no ads 🙂

But, I can't get autoplay to switch off.

Help chat has told me to download the PC app. more effin' bloat...

The app finally loads, then tells me it is out of date and to update it... but doesn't give me a clear route to update.

There is no autoplay off under settings, despite what the chat are telling me. 

They now tell me to download the smartphone app.

No doubt that hasn't got the autoplay off setting either, and anyway would that switch it off on another device?

 

[Twigman]

I need an All Of The Above option and a few more besides.

 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3WPQHDN5VniDY6JBGUV7UQ

Tidal: https://tidal.com/browse/artist/3605575

Amazon: https://music.amazon.co.uk/artists/B001GOO9NI/sad-lovers-and-giants

Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/gb/artist/sad-lovers-giants/200905696

Deezer: https://www.deezer.com/en/artist/1693114

Quobuz: https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/interpreter/sad-lovers-giants/814381

 

 

As for listening I don't use a streaming service.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Twigman

[Grassie]

Apple Music for me. For no other reason than I have an iPhone, unlimited data on my contract (so I can stream in the car and at work without worrying about data usage) and I’d never subscribed to a streaming service before.

I like it. Sound quality is excellent, and have had zero issues trying to find an album/artist.

😊

[knirirr]

Plex does the trick for me; the streaming source is my collection of mp3s and if I want to keep something I'd get the CD/mp3s.

There are some good apps for Plex such as Plexamp and Symfonium. The latter also handles streaming URLs so I can get SomaFM stations and TSF Jazz  in the car.

When I used to use iOS I tried Apple music but found it horribly buggy and Apple's support useless.

Edited 6 hours ago by knirirr

[Tokalo]

4 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

I have Amazon Prime and I could use Amazon Prime Music for learning songs - it's noticeably higher quality than youtube and no ads 🙂

But, I can't get autoplay to switch off.

Help chat has told me to download the PC app. more effin' bloat...

The app finally loads, then tells me it is out of date and to update it... but doesn't give me a clear route to update.

There is no autoplay off under settings, despite what the chat are telling me. 

They now tell me to download the smartphone app.

No doubt that hasn't got the autoplay off setting either, and anyway would that switch it off on another device?

 

The iPhone app allows autoplay to turned off:

 

[TimR]

I use Spotify. Mainly for listening to podcasts.

 

It also lets you add your own audio files. Which I'm not sure people are aware of, so I have a load of playlists created from recordings I've made on my phone from rehearsals. 

[Greg Edwards69]

Spotify for me because of its excellent Amazon Echo integration, that means I can completely control it from the phone app.

 

But I've also recently enjoyed a few other features that I didn't know about—Spotify Jam and Spotify DJ. One lets you and your friends add songs to a queue if you're on the same network (usefully, it integrates with the TV app, too). The latter is pure witchcraft—a personalised radio station of the type of music I listen to with a realistic-sounding DJ cutting in every now and then to tell me what I've just heard or what's coming up next.

 

For my own music collection, I use the little-known iTunes Match service. £21.99 a year to sync my curated and fairly extensive iTunes collection (including ripped CDs). A lot less than paying for Apple Music.

Edited 5 hours ago by Greg Edwards69

[Stub Mandrel]

2 hours ago, Tokalo said:

The iPhone app allows autoplay to turned off:

 

 

I'm sure the android app does too, but that doesn't really help me as I use my PC for learning songs.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Stub Mandrel

[NancyJohnson]

A year on and I'm still with Spotify. 

 

I run a Sonos system for my audio, stereo pairs (several), portable speakers.  If anyone has been following the issues with the Sonos app in the last year, sticking with Spotify was probably a good decision, at least from the perspective of actually being able to push music to me system when the Sonos app was barely functioning.

 

I think that right now, it's probably time to start thinking about switching to Tidal.  There's a service called TuneMyMusic that'll transfer all my playlists from Spotify to Tidal, so maybe that's a project for Future Me.