0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 weight wise it doesn't seem there alot in it like 20 pounds? the ampeg takes 600w not sure of other 610 makers? i know h n k do one but that far to pricey! and has a weird ohms thing 5/3 ohms?! im looking into gettin a coulpe of 410's at the mo, but am wondering if this maybe a better way to go? my band plays small bars, to large clubs, i have seen bands in these places use 810's b4, which i thought was overkill. anyone got a 610 that they could give me an idea of how big it is? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basszilla Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Bergantino_Bass_Cabinet_NV_Range.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp...t_NV_Range.html[/url] Check out the berg nv610, pretty light, compact, easy to manouevre, killer sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='Basszilla' post='460554' date='Apr 12 2009, 02:01 PM'][url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Bergantino_Bass_Cabinet_NV_Range.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp...t_NV_Range.html[/url] Check out the berg nv610, pretty light, compact, easy to manouevre, killer sound.[/quote] i thought bout this but they are just to pricey.needs to be around the 800 quid mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protium Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 The reason for the impedance is the restriction of speaker values- 4ohm, 8ohm, 16ohm etc. The 5.33 ohm impedance is due to 3 pairs of 8ohm speakers wired in parallel, just treat it as you would a 4ohm cab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='Protium' post='460559' date='Apr 12 2009, 02:10 PM']The reason for the impedance is the restriction of speaker values- 4ohm, 8ohm, 16ohm etc. The 5.33 ohm impedance is due to 3 pairs of 8ohm speakers wired in parallel, just treat it as you would a 4ohm cab [/quote] really, god damn i just got my head round the whole ohms thing! haha oh well they to pricey anyway 2 talking nearly 1400 i think for a h n k 610? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 My Markbass 610 (which I just sold for £550) weighed 34kg, was 6 ohm, and 1200W. It was awesome but didn't suit my needs. Markbass have discontinued them so you might pick one up cheap somewhere Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Oh, and in answer to your original question, my Markbass 6x10 was smaller and lighter than my Hughes and Kettner 4x10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='Beedster' post='460611' date='Apr 12 2009, 03:39 PM']Oh, and in answer to your original question, my Markbass 6x10 was smaller and lighter than my Hughes and Kettner 4x10[/quote] what amp where you running that with? why make it 6 ohms? is it bad to run an amp between an ohm setting? im getting a price on a new ampeg 610 on tues? fingers crossed it about 750-800, with atleast a 300 quid part ex on my orange cab i should only have to put down 500 towards it? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='0175westwood29' post='460678' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:05 PM']is it bad to run an amp between an ohm setting?[/quote] Solidstate amps can run any load down to their rated minimum (actually they can usually go quite a bit lower than that without any problems) - there isn't an ohm setting. Valve amps have output transformers with different taps to help match up different impedance cabs. However the impedance of a cab is nowhere hear constant - an 8 ohm cab will typically vary between about 6 ohms and 50+ ohms. I rate one of my cabs, the Barefaced Big One, at 6 ohms and would recommend using the 8 ohm tap on a valve amp. Incidentally this cab provides similar max output to a good 6x10" but more bottom and punch despite weighing half as much. Alex Edited April 12, 2009 by alexclaber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='460697' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:58 PM']Solidstate amps can run any load down to their rated minimum (actually they can usually go quite a bit lower than that without any problems) - there isn't an ohm setting. Valve amps have output [i]transistors [/i]with different taps[/quote] transformers dear boy, transformers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='460697' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:58 PM']Solidstate amps can run any load down to their rated minimum (actually they can usually go quite a bit lower than that without any problems) - there isn't an ohm setting. Valve amps have output transistors with different taps to help match up different impedance cabs. However the impedance of a cab is nowhere hear constant - an 8 ohm cab will typically vary between about 6 ohms and 50+ ohms. I rate one of my cabs, the Barefaced Big One, at 6 ohms and would recommend using the 8 ohm tap on a valve amp. Incidentally this cab provides similar max output to a good 6x10" but more bottom and punch despite weighing half as much. Alex[/quote] ok i get that, soz i didn't mean ohms setting but i think you got what i meant. but my pro-6 being a hybrid, ss power amp, but it got driver tubes and tube pre, also it doesnt have a 4/8 ohm selector on the back. im only asking incase i can only use my head on cab sharing gigs its nice to know. my heart is set on the 610 if it the right price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='obbm' post='460701' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:02 PM']transformers dear boy, transformers.[/quote] Typo! I didn't get a lot of sleep last night... Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='0175westwood29' post='460705' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:09 PM']but my pro-6 being a hybrid, ss power amp, but it got driver tubes and tube pre, also it doesnt have a 4/8 ohm selector on the back.[/quote] Your amp has a solidstate power amp so that's all that matters. It will be happy running any combination of cabs right down to the minimum rated impedance. You could drive a 16 ohm cab, a 12 ohm cab, a 20 ohm cab, whatever. Just don't go below 4 ohms (assuming Ampeg's website is correct). [quote name='0175westwood29' post='460705' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:09 PM']my heart is set on the 610 if it the right price[/quote] Ah, the power of the Ampeg brand! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='460711' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:17 PM']Your amp has a solidstate power amp so that's all that matters. It will be happy running any combination of cabs right down to the minimum rated impedance. You could drive a 16 ohm cab, a 12 ohm cab, a 20 ohm cab, whatever. Just don't go below 4 ohms (assuming Ampeg's website is correct). Ah, the power of the Ampeg brand! Alex[/quote] wicked thanks man thats good o know. yeh i suppose to a point but also they look awesome!, plus i think going for the 610 is little dif than the standard 810 or 410+115 setup? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='0175westwood29' post='460715' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:23 PM']yeh i suppose to a point but also they look awesome!, plus i think going for the 610 is little dif than the standard 810 or 410+115 setup?[/quote] Going for a 15"+6.5" would a lot more different still! But I admit that a 6x10" does look more imposing. However I bet an Ampeg 6x10" couldn't handle the 2000W force of my power amp like the Big One did last night! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='460718' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:30 PM']Going for a 15"+6.5" would a lot more different still! But I admit that a 6x10" does look more imposing. However I bet an Ampeg 6x10" couldn't handle the 2000W force of my power amp like the Big One did last night! Alex[/quote] no you do have a point there! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrl_damo Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Warwick 611 Cheaper than the ampeg, pretty much same size as ampeg. You can get them brand new for about £580 900watts (1200watt max) into 4ohms...nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='alexclaber' post='460718' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:30 PM']However I bet an Ampeg 6x10" couldn't handle the 2000W force of my power amp like the Big One did last night! Alex[/quote] I've generally found big ones can handle a fair bit of force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='460786' date='Apr 12 2009, 09:15 PM']I've generally found big ones can handle a fair bit of force.[/quote] Fo' sure. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 [quote name='hrl_damo' post='460777' date='Apr 12 2009, 08:59 PM']Warwick 611 Cheaper than the ampeg, pretty much same size as ampeg. You can get them brand new for about £580 900watts (1200watt max) into 4ohms...nice[/quote] sadly to big to fit in my car. granted the ampeg is gonna be a tight squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='0175westwood29' post='460803' date='Apr 12 2009, 09:33 PM']sadly to big to fit in my car. granted the ampeg is gonna be a tight squeeze.[/quote] Hi, I was just passing this thread and thought I'd drop in! I have gone the same route as your plan. I used to use two Tech Soundsystem 4x10's in a stereo configuration, but decided for backline monitoring purposes one big cab was all that I needed for the new band. (We could even be using IEMs on tour anyway, so might not even need that!) Anyway, back to the point... I chose the Epifani UL-610 after hearing the 310 and 410 at a BassBash prior to purchasing. I love the low extension and power handling of this cab, coupled with it's ridiculous ease of maneuverability. Granted, they *can* be a bit on the costly side.. but they make up for it in many ways. Have a try.. see what you think. Weighs about 36Kg or something. An Ampeg 810 weighs around 88Kg. [url="http://www.epifani.com/products/concert610.php"]http://www.epifani.com/products/concert610.php[/url] [quote]UL-610 When you need to move air you have to have speakers -and the more the better! The UL-610 was a custom design made exclusively for bass legends Daryl Jones (Rolling Stones) and Christian McBride but we were so impressed with the results that the UL-610 has now become part of our standard production line. This monster is equipped with six 250 watt Epifani 10" drivers that handle an astonishing 1500 watts (RMS) of power. Utilizing two separate isolation chambers, the UL-610 delivers unsurpassed clarity and accuracy even at high decibel levels. •Speaker: 6 x 250w RMS Cast Aluminum Frame •100w RMS Tweeter •Freq Response: 40hz - 16khz •Power Rating: 1500w RMS (3750w Peak) •4 Ohms •Suggested Wattage: 400w - 2000w •Sensitivity: 104db SPL @ 1w 1m •Recessed Handles •Dimensions: 42" H x 23" W x 18.25" D •82 lbs.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike257 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I've just made a similar move - 'downsized' my Ampeg 410 and 115 to an SVT610. I'm over the moon with it, loving the sound. All science aside, it seems to have the low-end extension I previously felt was missing from my setup. The big tiltback wheels are a winner for moving it around too, it's dead easy. Dood's Epifani looks great, I'd have tried something like that if my budget stretched to it. If you're wondering about size, it's about 8 inches shorter than my 410/15 stack was. If you can pick one up second hand, you're onto a winner, I'd say go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='mike257' post='462874' date='Apr 15 2009, 12:04 PM']I've just made a similar move - 'downsized' my Ampeg 410 and 115 to an SVT610. I'm over the moon with it, loving the sound. All science aside, it seems to have the low-end extension I previously felt was missing from my setup. The big tiltback wheels are a winner for moving it around too, it's dead easy. Dood's Epifani looks great, I'd have tried something like that if my budget stretched to it. If you're wondering about size, it's about 8 inches shorter than my 410/15 stack was. If you can pick one up second hand, you're onto a winner, I'd say go for it.[/quote] im looking at getting one new, for hopefully around 750-850? im gonna use my orange as part ex. i have a ford fiesta so it look funny when i roll up 2 a gig with this in the back plus my rack plus my mody! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifi2112 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) Just had 1st rehearsal with Markbass CL106 & Classic head .. gain @ 80%, eq=flat, master vol '1' !! loud as hell .. same head thru Schoeder 410L but master vol on 3-4 .. even tho Schoe = 4Ohm & MB=6Ohm I guess the 2 extra speakers make a difference (or perhaps where you're standing if the Schroe projects like they say) .. still both very portable ! 26kg & 34kg resp. I believe. Can't really compare to other brands but think I've found the perfect rig for me .. time will tell. Simon Edited April 16, 2009 by sifi2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 [quote name='sifi2112' post='463677' date='Apr 16 2009, 09:48 AM']Just had 1st rehearsal with Markbass CL106 & Classic head .. gain @ 80%, eq=flat, master vol '1' !! loud as hell .. same head thru Schoeder 410L but master vol on 3-4 .. even tho Schoe = 4Ohm & MB=6Ohm I guess the 2 extra speakers make a difference (or perhaps where you're standing if the Schroe projects like they say) .. still both very portable ! 26kg & 34kg resp. I believe. Can't really compare to other brands but think I've found the perfect rig for me .. time will tell. Simon[/quote] glad to hear it man. got the final price on the 610, sadly none will take my 115 in part ex which means im selling it. hopefully i should have the money together by next week! :-) andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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