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39 minutes ago, joostone said:

I got the bridge from Ali. It's fastened with screws, nothing special there. I only needed to allign correctly offcourse.

Thanks. It looks ace. I was just thinking to myself, ‘how’s he got the threaded inserts for the bridge to stay in the body?’

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BB405 on ebay for £199, virtually the same as the BBN5 I think? Great backup or project bass for someone. 

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Cheeky plug for my P34. 

Due to no gigs, no job (soon) and trying to switch to keybaords, I’m finaly selling my nemesis 😁. Never not loved it, but my Fender P has caused many rifts in the relationship. 

 

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I've been enjoying a pre-loved Yamaha BB 425. The only thing I didn't like about it was it was a bit weighty, and had a slight tendency to neck-dive.

After much debate, I purchased the cheaper Hipshot Ultralite (Licensed) tuners - went the whole hog and get the Y-tuners to shave even more weight off, albeit at the cost of offending the traditionalists. 


I'm very happy with the results - the bass feels much better in terms of balance, overall weight and playability. 

 

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On 07/07/2020 at 15:10, pn_day said:

I've been enjoying a pre-loved Yamaha BB 425. The only thing I didn't like about it was it was a bit weighty, and had a slight tendency to neck-dive.

After much debate, I purchased the cheaper Hipshot Ultralite (Licensed) tuners - went the whole hog and get the Y-tuners to shave even more weight off, albeit at the cost of offending the traditionalists. 


I'm very happy with the results - the bass feels much better in terms of balance, overall weight and playability. 

 

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I was wondering how the bass would look with that type of machine head. I also have a BB425 and it’s a pretty weighty instrument. There’s quite a weight saving if you choose to use the Y shaped item over the clover leaf equivalent. It doesn’t look too bad to me. I could certainly grow accustomed to it 

Incidentally, what was the fit like in the existing holes in the headstock?

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2 hours ago, MoJo said:

I was wondering how the bass would look with that type of machine head. I also have a BB425 and it’s a pretty weighty instrument. There’s quite a weight saving if you choose to use the Y shaped item over the clover leaf equivalent. It doesn’t look too bad to me. I could certainly grow accustomed to it 

Incidentally, what was the fit like in the existing holes in the headstock?

Hi MoJo. I was after the biggest weight saving, so went for the Y-tuners but actually like the look of it without the elephant ears. 

The fit was not great to be honest - even with getting the larger (1/2") size. I had to use a few turns of electrical tape on each shaft before inserting. However, once tightened up it is all solid and you cannot see the tape. 

 

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11 minutes ago, pn_day said:

Hi MoJo. I was after the biggest weight saving, so went for the Y-tuners but actually like the look of it without the elephant ears. 

The fit was not great to be honest - even with getting the larger (1/2") size. I had to use a few turns of electrical tape on each shaft before inserting. However, once tightened up it is all solid and you cannot see the tape. 

 

Hipshot do an oversize bush for the genuine USA tuners and Bass Direct keep them in, but from what I understand, the Licenced tuners differ from the USA in the way that the threaded bush fits into the body of the tuner. IIRC the licenced tuner has an external thread on the bush and an internal thread on the body. I could be wrong 

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3 hours ago, MoJo said:

Hipshot do an oversize bush for the genuine USA tuners and Bass Direct keep them in, but from what I understand, the Licenced tuners differ from the USA in the way that the threaded bush fits into the body of the tuner. IIRC the licenced tuner has an external thread on the bush and an internal thread on the body. I could be wrong 

The ones I had were threaded - so that might be useful information for somebody deciding which to get. I went cheap, and had to use electrical tape to pad the shaft. If you get the USA ultralites then maybe you can use the oversize bush and no tape is required!

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I found the Ultralites were a must on my 1024. The balance was the achilles heel on an otherwise amazing bass, I went for the clover keys and thought they were enough of a weight saving to suit me YMMV.

I've been umming and arrghing over a 734a or Bbp34 since they came out. Can anyone please tell me how they compare? I've looked high and LOW! In theory they have the same pickups, but with the YouTube videos I've been obsessing over, the passive tone does seem fairly different, though I haven't found a direct comparison. The Bbp34 seems smoother and less aggressive, but it's not always easy to tell whether videos are recorded passive or active. Cheers! 

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I've had the 5 string versions. I found that the BBP35 was a little sweeter tonally than my 1025, the flip side being the 1025 particularly the J pup had more of an edge. So I probably just preferred the P35 overall and on PJ setting and the 1025 on solo J.

The other feature on the newer series 3 models is the ability to blend in as much P+J as you want whereas it's all, 50-50, or nil with the series 2 models, but with a very easy to access selector switch.

I actually preferred my P35 over my 735A; it just had a better overall feel to it and of the two I was finding I would reach for the P35 every time. The 735A's big selling point other than being a fair bit cheaper than the P35, is obviously its active circuit. 

Having had all three, I would summarise by saying in passive mode the similarities between the basses far outweigh the differences. The P35 just felt like the classiest of the three. However I've only held onto my 1025, partly 'cos I'm a sucker for a vintage white finish but mainly  'cos it was a little bit lighter than the P35 and therefore more comfortable over a 2 hour gig.

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On 07/07/2020 at 15:10, pn_day said:

I've been enjoying a pre-loved Yamaha BB 425. The only thing I didn't like about it was it was a bit weighty, and had a slight tendency to neck-dive.

Ah! That’s my old BB, which I bought off @KotorTom.... and I *think* @Al Krow was the previous owner. Wonder how many of us have owned that one? They are great. Soooo much bass for the money but had to recoup funds from my dream bass purchase (Fender Dimension USA Deluxe HH Natural/Maple board since you didn’t ask 😃)

Good call on the tuner replacement - if I’d kept it for sure I’d have done the same. Like it! Hope it’s serving you well. One day a full fat Jap BB 5 string WILL be mine. 

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6 minutes ago, moley6knipe said:

Ah! That’s my old BB, which I bought off @KotorTom.... and I *think* @Al Krow was the previous owner. Wonder how many of us have owned that one? They are great. Soooo much bass for the money but had to recoup funds from my dream bass purchase (Fender Dimension USA Deluxe HH Natural/Maple board since you didn’t ask 😃)

Good call on the tuner replacement - if I’d kept it for sure I’d have done the same. Like it! Hope it’s serving you well. One day a full fat Jap BB 5 string WILL be mine. 

Ah yes. Just checked back and I bought that new in Sept 2017 (page 7 of this thread including a long and gushing review!). 

It's the only bass I've had serious sellers regret moving on, so much so that I got another 425 which is now a "keeper" bass for Mr Bass_5.

The 425 has more punch in its pups than your average kicking mule! 

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4 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Ah yes. Just checked back and I bought that new in Sept 2017 (page 7 of this thread including a long and gushing review!). 

It's the only bass I've had serious sellers regret moving on, so much so that I got another 425 which is now a "keeper" bass for Mr Bass_5.

The 425 has more punch in its pups than your average kicking mule! 

Yep, its a lovely, but heavy bass. Probably going to outlast my P34. 

The 425 is definitely a hotter sounding bass. Lots of growl and kick. The P34 is smoother and more ‘mature’ sounding. 

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Thanks for the history on 'my' bass - the p pickup in particular is great - lots of growl. 

Now if only my playing did justice to it :)

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3 minutes ago, pn_day said:

Thanks for the history on 'my' bass - the p pickup in particular is great - lots of growl. 

Now if only my playing did justice to it :)

Haha - you're welcome. I guess that makes us family! 😁

Out of interest - what does the reverse of the headstock look like with the Hipshot Ultralite / Y-tuners i.e. are the original holes showing?

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6 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Haha - you're welcome. I guess that makes us family! 😁

Out of interest - what does the reverse of the headstock look like with the Hipshot Ultralite / Y-tuners i.e. are the original holes showing?

I'm afraid that it does - but I figured the weight gain was improved by having more holes in the rear of the headstock! I jest - the holes are not great, but the weight reduction is very welcome. 

I ended up having to not use any of the original holes - as the closest ones were still not in the right place, and I didn't want to end up with overlarge holes that might muck up the possibility of reverting to the original hardware. 

Phil

 

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Actually that doesn't look too bad at all. And, besides, only you will ever see it, or possibly also the drummer!  And you can always load the originals back on if you ever decide to sell it on. 

How much of a weight saving did the new tuners deliver? 

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I couldn't get an accurate weight reading as our kitchen scales were on the blink. However, using an old spring luggage scale, the total bass is now at about 3.6-3.7 kg. Before I think it was over 4kg - should have written it down before taking all the hardware off...

It's not only fixed the neck dive, it has also made the whole bass feel significantly lighter. 

Worth it in my opinion, but paying the extra for the USA Hipshot lites might be worthwhile to avoid the need to pack the shaft with tape.

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43 minutes ago, moley6knipe said:

I have a spreadsheet of basses past and present. I know, I know. 

+1^^ I'm nearly as bad! Must be an ex-425 owners' thing!😁

More importantly that's now an 8lb bass, which would be down at the bottom of my basses weight wise. And he's shaved off 1/8 of the weight of the bass just by swapping the tuners. That's a very good result! Yamaha if you're listening...

3 hours ago, pn_day said:

Worth it in my opinion, but paying the extra for the USA Hipshot lites might be worthwhile to avoid the need to pack the shaft with tape.

You'll have to talk me through why the cheaper Hipshot Ultralites needed you do do that?

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Oh and I guess if you're going to change one thing about a bass (which affects its weight) without affecting its tone, then the tuners would be that thing, right?

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The Ultralites come in different sizes, could it be that the licensed ones were just a different size to the US ones?

Interested as I bought a set of 5 licensed ones for my BB1025X that I never got around to fitting, but will do some day!

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Yamaha have announced a Pacifica in shell pink and I really wish they would extend it to their other lines 

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Posted (edited)

They should make a pacifica bass! Like a p bass but slimmer and faster looking!  Kind of like the attityde but with less customizations!

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7 minutes ago, Vanheusen77 said:

They should make a pacifica bass! Like a p bass but slimmer and faster looking!  Kind of like the attityde but with less customizations!

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