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It’s a strange one. The neck on my Dingwall Super P is very much in the flat ballpark, even more so than my Yammy, yet I find it incredibly comfortable. But the Ding has 19mm bridge spacing and a slightly wider nut than my Yamaha BB. The nut width and string spacing on the Fender I played felt pretty similar to my Dingwall, which is probably why it felt so comfortable to me. The Fender’s neck was definitely a bit thicker/chunkier though. The Yammy BBs seem to have a narrower nut width and 18mm bridge spacing if I’m not mistaken, before we even get into the thickness of the neck itself. Lots of variables.

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Well it's a funny ol' world. You were the person, with your excellent review of your 1025X, which you kindly took the time to pm me about, and subsequent joint trip to the Yammy store where I picked up my vintage white 1025, that weened me of Fender basses (possibly for good) and started my love affair with Yammys a couple of years back; and now you're heading back in the opposite direction.

Wheels turn, eh?

You'll be wearing flared jeans next.

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32 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Well it's a funny ol' world. You were the person, with your excellent review of your 1025X, which you kindly took the time to pm me about, and subsequent joint trip to the Yammy store where I picked up my vintage white 1025, that weened me of Fender basses (possibly for good) and started my love affair with Yammys a couple of years back; and now you're heading back in the opposite direction.

Wheels turn, eh?

You'll be wearing flared jeans next.

To be fair, at that time I’d never played a Fender bass. I think I’ve been subconsciously avoiding the big F for years. It’s only in the past 6 months or so that I’ve developed any kind of appreciation or even first hand experience of Fender basses.

But yeah, my tastes have slowly veered toward the more traditional over the past couple of years so before long I’m sure my only bass will be a 200 year old upright xD

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The best thing about my Yamahas (well, one of the best) is how they do the P bass thing well, but without the Fender ‘mud’.

The slight modern twist on the P tone is really what’s keeping me playing my P34. It has the character but also a slight bump somewhere that gives my pick playing a bit of finger thump. The 425 sounds slightly more aggressive, but both seem to have the same character in the low end.

As for necks, I’m a lover of narrow necks, so when I saw the P34 is only 40mm at the nut I was very happy. After playing it for a few days, and then my Fender P, which is wider but still what I would call narrow at 43mm, I do find the Fender more comfortable to play. 

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7 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Whilst we're talking about the F word, why don't they do a 5 string PJ? 

Dimension series did a PJ 5er

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Tbf Fender do own a brand that have just released a rather tasty reverse PJ (but active only)...

 

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...and have just replaced the previously pointy headstocks on these basses with something that looks remarkably like a Yammy BB's headstock (seamlessly back on message 😀)

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G'day folks, can anyone advise on the weight of a 435? Seriously tempted to get one, unless it's mega heavy. Many thanks

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ALSO has anyone had chance to try a 435 and P35? Are the differences in build /playability /tone proportionate to the price difference? Ta, 😁👍

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28 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

ALSO has anyone had chance to try a 435 and P35? Are the differences in build /playability /tone proportionate to the price difference? Ta, 😁👍

Good question - one I'd like to find out the answer to myself. Been thinking about getting a Yamaha BB for a while and there seems clearly to be a lot of love for them on this thread!

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Hmmm...not sure who the current BB 435 owners are, hopefully one will crawl out of the woodwork shortly and give you an idea on weight.

There's definitely a step up in construction and some parts, plus higher end pups between the 435 and P35 which probably accounts for a fair chunk of the price differential, the rest would be due to more expensive labour costs of MIJ vs Indonesia and whether that justifies paying extra is a topic in itself. If you can, get yourself along to the Yammy store in Central London or one local to you that stocks them.

Whether overall the price difference is 'worth it' will be down to individual preference. Personally I would be happy to pay the used difference in prices, but I'm far too tight on the purse-strings to buy a P35 new!

FWIW - my advice would be to kick-off with a 435 and if you find you're loving it, think about getting a P35 down the line - you'll then be very familiar with the 435 and be able to easily tell whether the P35 justifies the extra spend.

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7 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Hmmm...not sure who the current BB 435 owners are, hopefully one will crawl out of the woodwork shortly and give you an idea on weight.

There's definitely a step up in construction and some parts, plus higher end pups between the 435 and P35 which probably accounts for a fair chunk of the price differential, the rest would be due to more expensive labour costs of MIJ vs Indonesia and whether that justifies paying extra is a topic in itself. If you can, get yourself along to the Yammy store in Central London or one local to you that stocks them.

Whether overall the price difference is 'worth it' will be down to individual preference. Personally I would be happy to pay the used difference in prices, but I'm far too tight on the purse-strings to buy a P35 new!

FWIW - my advice would be to kick-off with a 435 and if you find you're loving it, think about getting a P35 down the line - you'll then be very familiar with the 435 and be able to easily tell whether the P35 justifies the extra spend.

It's your P35 I keep looking at! 😂😍

But even used, they're more than double the price of a brand new 435. They look fantastic, and I fully appreciate japanese quality, but just wondering in real terms what the differences are like. 

Plus the weight.... I notice your P35 is pretty heavy - was wondering if the 435 is lighter due to not having a wedge of maple in the middle? 

You're right, going to a stockist to try them both would be best, but not sure if there would be anywhere relatively close to me... 

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33 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

It's your P35 I keep looking at! 😂😍

But even used, they're more than double the price of a brand new 435. They look fantastic, and I fully appreciate japanese quality, but just wondering in real terms what the differences are like. 

Plus the weight.... I notice your P35 is pretty heavy - was wondering if the 435 is lighter due to not having a wedge of maple in the middle? 

You're right, going to a stockist to try them both would be best, but not sure if there would be anywhere relatively close to me... 

That's kinda amusing. Well at least you know that I've got your best interests at heart with my earlier post i.e. I didn't take the opportunity to give my P35 a surreptitious plug! :) 

I guess part of me is hoping that folk will forget it's in the FS (which my head insists on it being left on) and I'll stick some flats on it and start using it as a goto gigging bass, which it truly deserves to be. 

@[email protected] who had it before me had it set up beautifully. He's a pro bassist, so I would have expected nothing less!

The reason for bringing Mark back into the conversation is actually a note forward to both of us - I'm hoping to get hold of a Gruv Gear Duo Neo strap shortly from @fretmeisterand, if it does the job I'm expecting it to, it will mean playing basses weighing 10lbs to 11lbs (or even heavier) should become a breeze and weight won't be a limiting factor in our choice of basses going forward.

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16 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

That's kinda amusing. Well at least you know that I've got your best interests at heart with my earlier post i.e. I didn't take the opportunity to give my P35 a surreptitious plug! :) 

I guess part of me is hoping that folk will forget it's in the FS (which my head insists on it being left on) and I'll stick some flats on it and start using it as a goto gigging bass, which it truly deserves to be. 

@[email protected] whom had it before me had it set up beautifully. He's a pro bassist, so I would have expected nothing less!

The reason for bringing Mark back into the conversation is actually a note forward to both of us - I'm hoping to get hold of a Gruv Gear Duo Neo strap shortly from @fretmeisterand, if it does the job I'm expecting it to, it will mean playing basses weighing 10lbs to 11lbs (or even heavier) should become a breeze and weight won't be a limiting factor in our choice of basses going forward.

I'd love it back. Absolutely LOVE it back. What a bass 😩

I think it'd be great with flats!

Interested to hear your thoughts on the Duo strap too! 

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33 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

That's kinda amusing. Well at least you know that I've got your best interests at heart with my earlier post i.e. I didn't take the opportunity to give my P35 a surreptitious plug! :) 

I guess part of me is hoping that folk will forget it's in the FS (which my head insists on it being left on) and I'll stick some flats on it and start using it as a goto gigging bass, which it truly deserves to be. 

@[email protected] who had it before me had it set up beautifully. He's a pro bassist, so I would have expected nothing less!

The reason for bringing Mark back into the conversation is actually a note forward to both of us - I'm hoping to get hold of a Gruv Gear Duo Neo strap shortly from @fretmeisterand, if it does the job I'm expecting it to, it will mean playing basses weighing 10lbs to 11lbs (or even heavier) should become a breeze and weight won't be a limiting factor in our choice of basses going forward.

It does look fantastic, and I guess the weight could be manageable, but maybe your suggestion to start with a 435 is a good one. Price the theory and then move on. 

I bought a Gruv Gear solo strap last year, and it's by far the best, most comfortable strap I've ever owned, highly recommend their stuff! 

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Was struggling to find a weight for the 435 anywhere, but just saw one on Sweetwater that says it is 9lb 3oz, not bad at all! 

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9 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

I bought a Gruv Gear solo strap last year, and it's by far the best, most comfortable strap I've ever owned, highly recommend their stuff! 

Thanks for reassuring vote of confidence on Gruv Gear - looking forward to getting mine more so now! 

9lb 3oz should feel both 'substantial' but not too heavy - sounds perfect!

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7 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Thanks for reassuring vote of confidence on Gruv Gear - looking forward to getting mine more so now! 

9lb 3oz should feel both 'substantial' but not too heavy - sounds perfect!

It really is an incredible strap, and I've had a LOT of good straps! 

That weight does sound good, but I'd imagine there's quite a bit of variation and that 9lb 3 would be one of the lightest ones. 

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25 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

The other question is.... Teal blue or black? 😂

Well here's a little known fact before @dave_bass5arrived on the scene to point out to the rest of us with less beady eyes: apparently all the headstocks are black on the 3 series, even when the body colour is not! 

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23 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Well here's a little known fact before @dave_bass5arrived on the scene to point out to the rest of us with less beady eyes: apparently all the headstocks are black on the 3 series, even when the body colour is not! 

Yes so I see, but I don't think it looks too bad with any of the finishes. Doesn't 'match' the sunburst or teal, but looks alright I think. 

Some years ago, several of the 'boutique' brands were doing black headstocks on their basses, regardless of the body finish. In fact I think with Dingwall it was possibly a chargeable extra! 

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I'm not convinced it quite works with the midnight blue on my P35, but as it's always facing away from you when playing, I never noticed until Dave pointed it out to us! But definitely not something anyone else has ever commented on! 

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27 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

definitely not something anyone else has ever commented on! 

Let’s face it, along with the bass tone the audience will never notice 😂

As for the quit on about the P34/5 being worth the extra. I’d say no way would I call those basses value for money over the 435 or 735’s. I cant find anything wrong with my P34 but I can’t see anything to justify its high price either. 
Still, I’m sure it’s in there somewhere. Lovely basses, all of them, which makes it hard to justify the much higher cost to me.

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36 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

I'm not convinced it quite works with the midnight blue on my P35, but as it's always facing away from you when playing, I never noticed until Dave pointed it out to us! But definitely not something anyone else has ever commented on! 

From an OCD, aesthetic point of view, I think Yamaha missed a trick not matching the headstock. That’s only my opinion and I realise that it makes zero difference to their excellent playability!  

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1 minute ago, bassfan said:

From an OCD, aesthetic point of view, I think Yamaha missed a trick not matching the headstock. That’s only my opinion and I realise that it makes zero difference to their excellent playability!  

I can only think that there was some message from on high that 'black is the new black' or someone else had been listening to some Amy Winehouse that day and thought they had best get back to...or more likely they'd ordered too many black headstocks.

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