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I think they should've just left the headstocks natural again, maybe with the exception of the 700 series. 

What they've definitely missed a trick with its not doing a 5er with a maple board! 😡

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6 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

I think they should've just left the headstocks natural again, maybe with the exception of the 700 series. 

What they've definitely missed a trick with its not doing a 5er with a maple board! 😡

Oh yes, I’d love that. Ive seen the maple necked 435 and it looks lovely. 

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Just now, dave_bass5 said:

Oh yes, I’d love that..

Me too, I would've been ALL OVER that, love a maple fretboard! Unfortunately there's not much choice of 5 string PJ basses with a maple board, without going custom......

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3 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Me too, I would've been ALL OVER that, love a maple fretboard! Unfortunately there's not much choice of 5 string PJ basses with a maple board, without going custom......

When I started looking for a 5 string PJ earlier this year I got a Sire P7 gen two in a very lovely deep sunburst with maple neck. Seriously nice bass to look at and lovely to play, more so than the 735 I tried, but it had a faulty bridge pup so I sent it back. 
 

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14 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said:

When I started looking for a 5 string PJ earlier this year I got a Sire P7 gen two in a very lovely deep sunburst with maple neck. Seriously nice bass to look at and lovely to play, more so than the 735 I tried, but it had a faulty bridge pup so I sent it back. 
 

I keep looking at Sire, and I LOVE the new colour V7s, but there seem to be quite mixed reviews. The other thing is, I'm kinda on a classic vibe at the moment, and the Sire preamp looks unnecessarily complicated. 

Aside from the duff pickup, you got on well with the P7 though? What was the quality like compared to Yamaha? 

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3 hours ago, TRBboy said:

I keep looking at Sire, and I LOVE the new colour V7s, but there seem to be quite mixed reviews. The other thing is, I'm kinda on a classic vibe at the moment, and the Sire preamp looks unnecessarily complicated. 

Aside from the duff pickup, you got on well with the P7 though? What was the quality like compared to Yamaha? 

Ive had a Sire V7 5 string since they first came out, and its a bass I’ll probably never sell. It plays well and in passive mode it’s more Fender Jazz than any other non Fender Jazz bass ive owned.

Ive never had an issue with mine, even the action is lower than most of my other basses.

I agree about the active side though, and it’s one of the things that puts me off buying another. It just seems a waste as I dont use it. Luckily the basses do run in passive mode though.

For me it’s the neck that I love. the necks are really nice. especially the gen 2 necks with the rolled edges. I prefer it to the Yamaha 5 string necks. The biggest issue seems to be the weight. They are quite heavy. 

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Well just before we all rush out and trade our Yammys for Sire V7s(!) here's a second clip of my BB 1025 in action a couple of week's back. It was actually recorded for Dave's benefit 'cos he was interested in finding out whether the Fearless F112 cab had as much / greater clarity than my BF SC in a band mix (the earlier clip from the same gig was posted on the 12" cab thread).

Signal chain was very simple: purely passive BB1025 --> amp (DG M900 on clean) --> F112 cab. No pedals or compression in between. I'll let you be the judge (usual recommendation of listening through headphones) whether you think the BB 1025 cuts through or not.

 

@lee650 - hey buddy, further to our chat about 1025 tone, this is the post with a clip of mine in action. 

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Today’s ‘ponder’ is why do the cheaper 5 sting basses have the offset B string saddle, but not on the high end ones? 
Obviously we can only speculate, but I’d be interested to know what others think.

I thought it might be to do with the cheaper quality of bridges on the 400 series, maybe it’s not needed on the high mass bridges, but then why not put them on the 200 series as well. 

 

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Extends the scale length on one string only you’d think it’d be easier to move the whole bridge unit back an inch but might ironically have something to do with aesthetics!

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4 minutes ago, krispn said:

Extends the scale length on one string only you’d think it’d be easier to move the whole bridge unit back an inch but might ironically have something to do with aesthetics!

Yeah, if it does improve the tone or tension, why not put it on the higher end basses where you would expect this to matter just as much.

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39 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said:

Today’s ‘ponder’ is why do the cheaper 5 sting basses have the offset B string saddle, but not on the high end ones? 
Obviously we can only speculate, but I’d be interested to know what others think.

I thought it might be to do with the cheaper quality of bridges on the 400 series, maybe it’s not needed on the high mass bridges, but then why not put them on the 200 series as well. 

My tuppence worth would be:

The 200 are not diagonal strung through whereas the 400 and upwards are.

The offset B string saddles were a feature in the older 1 and 2 series 5 string basses, so they may have a bunch of left over stock? 

They don't look quite as good aesthetically as the higher end bridges IMO, so I guess it's part of the small incremental changes in design, build and finish as you head up the BB range.

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2 hours ago, krispn said:

Extends the scale length on one string only you’d think it’d be easier to move the whole bridge unit back an inch but might ironically have something to do with aesthetics!

It doesn't extend the scale length, it's still 34", otherwise the frets would have to be staggered and it would look weird! 😂

The main reason for designing the bridge like that is to reduce the string break angle on the B string, which I could definitely see being a benefit on a BBOT style bridge. It may also be to allow adequate intonation adjustment room on the B, without making the break angle too tight. 

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18 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Well just before we all rush out and trade our Yammys for Sire V7s(!) here's a second clip of my BB 1025 in action a couple of week's back. It was actually recorded for Dave's benefit 'cos he was interested in finding out whether the Fearless F112 cab had as much / greater clarity than my BF SC in a band mix (the earlier clip from the same gig was posted on the 12" cab thread).

Signal chain was very simple: purely passive BB1025 --> amp (DG M900 on clean) --> F112 cab. No pedals or compression in between. I'll let you be the judge (usual recommendation of listening through headphones) whether you think the BB 1025 cuts through or not.

Thanks for this @Al Krow, very useful and yes, it sounds great! Wish they did a white 435....

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11 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

It doesn't extend the scale length, it's still 34", otherwise the frets would have to be staggered and it would look weird! 😂

The main reason for designing the bridge like that is to reduce the string break angle on the B string, which I could definitely see being a benefit on a BBOT style bridge. It may also be to allow adequate intonation adjustment room on the B, without making the break angle too tight. 

How would it differ between a BBOT and HM bridge?

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2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

My tuppence worth would be:

The 200 are not diagonal strung through whereas the 400 and upwards are.

The offset B string saddles were a feature in the older 1 and 2 series 5 string basses, so they may have a bunch of left over stock? 

They don't look quite as good aesthetically as the higher end bridges IMO, so I guess it's part of the small incremental changes in design, build and finish as you head up the BB range.

If my 425 didn’t have the bridge that it does I doubt I’d have looked at the P34. Silly as it sounds I just think the bridges on the 200/400 series really cheapen the look. 

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14 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said:

How would it differ between a BBOT and HM bridge?

It wouldn't especially, other than some Hi Mass bridges may be designed in such a way that they're deeper and better designed, with a slightly more friendly break angle and more intonation adjustment. Looking at my BBN5, this is certainly the case. 

When I made the previous comment, I was thinking more about BBOT vs Hipshot/equivalent style bridges I suppose. 

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15 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said:

If my 425 didn’t have the bridge that it does I doubt I’d have looked at the P34. Silly as it sounds I just think the bridges on the 200/400 series really cheapen the look. 

If I do end up going for a 435, I suspect I'll probably end up changing the bridge. 

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29 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Thanks for this @Al Krow, very useful and yes, it sounds great! Wish they did a white 435....

Yup the only white models in the 3 series seem to be the 235, which is a shame. I'd have loved a white 735A. 

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3 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Yup the only white models in the 3 series seem to be the 235, which is a shame. I'd have loved a white 735A. 

Now that WOULD be cool! I do find myself looking at the 735 quite a bit, it seems features wise to be the same as a Bbp35, just not made in Japan, and with the addition of a preamp! I guess I'm just not sure if it's worth nearly £300 more than the 435, and I'm still not 100% sure about the metally styling. It does look smart though. 

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Still keep looking at 735's....  VERY tempted..... 

Wish there were used ones coming up for sale, but maybe that's testament to how good they are! 

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33 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Still keep looking at 735's....  VERY tempted..... 

Wish there were used ones coming up for sale, but maybe that's testament to how good they are! 

If you buy one, you'll just have your forever bass.

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12 minutes ago, javi_bassist said:

If you buy one, you'll just have your forever bass.

Well forever...until he decides he wants to get a P35 😁

He is a passive BC'er after all! 

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

Well forever...until he decides he wants to get a P35 😁

He is a passive BC'er after all! 

Well actually, here's the thing.... I've been playing active basses exclusively for about the last 10 years, but have had a bit of a revelation recently! 

I bought a fender player series jaguar on a whim, and BOOM! Tone heaven! It was perfect for my band! Really nice big, organic sound. I returned it because although I can cope on a 4, I found I did really miss the B string and feel more at home on a 5.

So essentially, I'm kinda trying to replicate that experience with 5 strings.... Therefore the BB range is a strong contender! 

After my post earlier, I'm now looking at the 435 again 🤦‍♂️ indecisive as ever! 

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1 hour ago, javi_bassist said:

If you buy one, you'll just have your forever bass.

Are they THAT good? Have you tried a 435 by any chance as well? 

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