charic Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1465461628' post='3068357'] That was funny. IMHO. Sadly, it may also have been an example of the mob mentality that often rears its ugly head on BC. I'd not have expected you to be part of that, Dad. I really hope I missed something here, and that I'm am completely wrong. [/quote] To be fair, I added that emoticon onto the list as the phrase had popped up a fair bit and was starting to be used out of context as a bit of a "BC phrase". No illwill intended at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [QUOTE]Number6 said: How would anyone know if Buddy fooooked up? After all it is jazz drumming [/QUOTE] More complex drum fills slip time, for example ?! I would have shown Buddy this video of a 5 year old kid (Jonah) getting it right. That would have brought on apoplexy I think: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4PKBNzmuo"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4PKBNzmuo[/url] LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='luckydog' timestamp='1465469398' post='3068484'] More complex drum fills slip time, for example ?! I would have shown Buddy this video of a 5 year old kid (Jonah) getting it right. That would have brought on apoplexy I think: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4PKBNzmuo"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4PKBNzmuo[/url] LD [/quote] Fantastic video.....love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockfordStone Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1465469242' post='3068482'] To be fair, I added that emoticon onto the list as the phrase had popped up a fair bit and was starting to be used out of context as a bit of a "BC phrase". No illwill intended at all [/quote] i think it's brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1465476898' post='3068568'] i think it's brilliant [/quote] Me too ofcourse, if blue has any problem with it I will remove it at the closest opportunity. I just think it's an inside joke way of saying "not round here" now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [QUOTE]Number6 said: Fantastic video.....love it! [/QUOTE] Yup, and that was when he was 5 years old ! Here's a more recent vid of Jonah at 9, giving Dave Grohl a seriously good run on Smells like Teen Spirit: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDljyD01Ue8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDljyD01Ue8[/url] Here's drums only (no backing): [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUjxcmKSRw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUjxcmKSRw[/url] LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='luckydog' timestamp='1465478801' post='3068587'] Yup, and that was when he was 5 years old ! Here's a more recent vid of Jonah at 9, giving Dave Grohl a seriously good run on Smells like Teen Spirit: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDljyD01Ue8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDljyD01Ue8[/url] Here's drums only (no backing): [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUjxcmKSRw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUjxcmKSRw[/url] LD [/quote] Excellent..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Bolo' timestamp='1465452736' post='3068272'] Cussing at people cannot be love. That is (to me) a sick and twisted view, Blue. Suppose someone acted like that to their children? You'd call child support. If someone went off on their girl like that in a bar? Build people, don't destroy them. [/quote] You hear cursing and I hear passion and love. Children? I'm not sure I see the connection Blue Edited June 9, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Number6' timestamp='1465471577' post='3068505'] Fantastic video.....love it! [/quote] Personally, I'm not impressed with any of these YouTube clips featuring young children playing instruments. Can the child read charts, manage and direct a band, travel and play 280 gigs a year? Buddy was a pioneer. Blue Edited June 9, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1465460783' post='3068344'] I get what you are saying here, but IMO, the clip was the wrong way of getting the point across. In the clip he comes across as an arrogant prick, genius or not there are better ways of dealing with situations. If i've been at a gig where a band member has cocked up (believe me, it's happened), I will highlight what went wrong and work out how we can avoid it in future, because it isn't always the fault of the individual. We all care about the music we perform, and how it's performed, but Buddy's way ins't the way of dealing with it when it doesn't go right. you'd probably find yourself in front of a court for harassment if you acted that way these days. [/quote] I'd say your method of dealing with screw ups works for most of the bands here on bass chat. But not at this level when your paying guys 2k a week. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1465459184' post='3068327'] I think you are right when you say that "I'm not sure it would be acceptable or needed at the bar band level", and I see where you are coming from when you say you wish you could play at that level with a BL that cared that much, me too! but Buddy is just a little bit OTT don't you think? there are other ways of getting the best out of people. [/quote] It's different for all of us. Personally, I've always been a fan of the OTT. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1465478130' post='3068580'] Me too ofcourse, if blue has any problem with it I will remove it at the closest opportunity. I just think it's an inside joke way of saying "not round here" now [/quote] No problem here, I like it.😅 Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliasMooseblaster Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1465483660' post='3068644'] Personally, I'm not impressed with any of these YouTube clips featuring young children playing instruments. Can the child read charts, manage and direct a band, travel and play 280 gigs a year? Buddy was a pioneer. Blue [/quote] But surely the point of those videos is that the child is exhibiting prodigious talent and/or skill on their instrument for somebody of [i]x [/i]years - not to make direct comparisons between them and Buddy Rich...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1465452754' post='3068273'] I heard a jumped up prick but each to their own... [/quote] Keep in mind I had just viewed a documentary on Buddy's life. After reviewing his legacy I decided to take sides with Buddy. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1465484724' post='3068660'] But surely the point of those videos is that the child is exhibiting prodigious talent and/or skill on their instrument for somebody of [i]x [/i]years - not to make direct comparisons between them and Buddy Rich...? [/quote] Except Buddy Rich was a child star, Traps the Drum Wonder, on stage from age 18 months and was among the richest child stars of his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1465483660' post='3068644'] Personally, I'm not impressed with any of these YouTube clips featuring young children playing instruments. Can the child read charts, manage and direct a band, travel and play 280 gigs a year? Buddy was a pioneer. Blue [/quote] [quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1465484724' post='3068660'] But surely the point of those videos is that the child is exhibiting prodigious talent and/or skill on their instrument for somebody of [i]x [/i]years - not to make direct comparisons between them and Buddy Rich...? [/quote] I think that the videos are particularly pertinent given that Rich himself first came to fame as a child prodigy drummer 'Traps the boy wonder'...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliasMooseblaster Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1465485136' post='3068665'] Except Buddy Rich was a child star, Traps the Drum Wonder, on stage from age 18 months and was among the richest child stars of his time. [/quote] [quote name='peteb' timestamp='1465485167' post='3068666'] I think that the videos are particularly pertinent given that Rich himself first came to fame as a child prodigy drummer 'Traps the boy wonder'...! [/quote] Good point; I hadn't been aware of BR's childhood fame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1465476898' post='3068568'] i think it's brilliant [/quote] I like it! Milwaukee is now part of Basschat folklore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1465486596' post='3068690'] I like it! Milwaukee is now part of Basschat folklore [/quote] It's where TIM lives now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) [QUOTE]blue said: Can the child read charts, manage and direct a band, travel and play 280 gigs a year? [/QUOTE] Perhaps in time he will continue to develop into something very special indeed, but surely not through the methods at issue here on this thread. Point in posting those vids is that Buddy's fills sometimes slipped and weren't perfect, and some of them were worse than Jonah's as a 5 year old and especially as a 9 year old. But pointing this out to Buddy at the wrong time on the wrong day might have led to some Buddy meltdown, I venture.....for all his talent Buddy had problems, and these were not virtues in any way, they were his demons. LD Edited June 9, 2016 by luckydog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I believe that Art Blakey once said that Buddy Rich had great technique but "couldn't swing unless he was on the end of a rope"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1465488094' post='3068703'] It's where TIM lives now [/quote] Maybe be the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Shouldn't 'mods please delete' be up there somewhere as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 [quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1465489495' post='3068731'] Shouldn't 'mods please delete' be up there somewhere as well? [/quote] Sorry; that's reserved for 'log in trouble' topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Not read the whole thread but I would respond badly to someone like Rich. Duke Ellington was a gentleman and his band 10x that of Rich. This behaviour is simply unnecessary bullying. As for Whiplash, a dreadful film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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