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  1. [quote name='progben' timestamp='1474030851' post='3135126']Instead of shouting at each other about what we all should be doing, why not just enjoy the differing viewpoints and the huge variations in people's musical aims? [/quote] So you'd think. There's a paradox when it comes to intolerance. It arises when a normally tolerant person, holds antagonistic views towards [i]intolerance[/i], and hence is intolerant of it. The tolerant person, would then be, by definition, intolerant of intolerance. Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945. "Less well known is the [i]paradox of tolerance[/i]: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." Popper concluded that we are warranted in refusing to tolerate intolerance: "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." Which is pretty much the story of this thread, and other threads like it, which is bound to happen as long as this forum tolerates the intolerant IMO. Anyways, this is my last post here on the forum. It's autumn, and there's preserves to make. See some of you at gigs around sometime, and have fun ! LD
  2. [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1473957465' post='3134539']Where do you stand on lemon curd? Preserve or dessert spread? [/quote] I think a band needs to know where its soul is, and not be all things to all men. There's plenty of space for other bands to do lemon curd, preserves, dessert spead, and various exotic confitures from the wider world. Just like music, variety, diversity and personal taste keeps it interesting. It's all one big jam when it's all said and done. LD
  3. Bass player wanted, must have PA. Please send photo of PA. Spin on a v old joke LD
  4. Think the format of your post mucked up, Raymondo. Here it is: [quote name='Raymondo' timestamp='1473943609' post='3134347'] Spot on. I don't see what all the debate is about. I have been paid to play, the best fee was £2000 for a five piece. the best gigs I have played were at Rock City Nottingham ...full venue ...fabulous front of house AND on stage sound ...no fee.....it was always for a good friends charity event. I have played everything in between......including being paid off ( paid not to play? ) because we were rubbish. Such is life Keep on keeping on.[/quote] Yes. Such is life, and keep on keeping on. And you raise a very interesting angle: whether the aspiration of those who only play for the money is being paid not to play at all ? LD
  5. How about a backup battery for pedal boards, so that if the mains connection gets kicked, all the pedals don't reset ? LD
  6. [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1473935081' post='3134255']Places with 30k PAs should be paying bands. [/quote] AFAIK no-one is saying they don't - that is pretty obvious. They're also great venues to play as a rule, and so the value of what is provided should be factored in to whatever deal a band might find OK - including for free in certain circumstances if that is what makes sense, as it can do. Having some moral principle objection will just constrain the type of event a band chooses to play, which is fine and entirely their choice [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1473935081' post='3134255']I know originals bands with their own PAs, mine for a start. [/quote] Sure, there's no law against it. When necessary, we hire quality PA/lighting and it's not cheap. But far better than we'd ever be able to own, sometimes £250k+ worth and better than you'd see in most venues even. We figure that owning our own would be a compromise, and again that is entirely our decision. [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1473935081' post='3134255']I don't recognise this dichotomous model of covers vs originals and that originals can't get paid. [/quote] That is already, and always was, on the myth list. The issue arises because a few peeps here who play in pub/function covers band have a rule for themselves to always be paid, and believe that principle should apply to all bands at all times. Whereas, others favour a flexible approach and consider there's far more to be had from a gig than just the fee, and that under certain circumstances it makes sense to waive any fee in favour of other benefits. The latter is more common in originals bands than covers bands, because the motivation to play at all is fundamentally different. So ends the lesson of the 1st 50 pages......... LD
  7. [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473928965' post='3134150']I'm not playing to venues with 15,000 people audiences for free. [/quote] That's right, you're playing in a pub/function covers band, I remember now.......... LD
  8. [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473926332' post='3134106']......most bands have their own pa and lights so all they're saving is setup and carry.[/quote] IIRC your band's PA and lights are on a budget from Steptoe & Son........with the best will, surely it's gonna sound sh*te, and certainly so versus a 30kW + 10kW monitors and venue PA lighting rig. To cart something vaguely comparable about, you'll spend any fees on a good chiropractor....... LD
  9. [quote name='Number6' timestamp='1473893948' post='3134016']I am partial to quince jelly which a friend of mine makes regularly and gives me a coiple of jars each year. In exchange for said quince jelly i am happy to play my mate a tune or two upon a stringed instrument.[/quote] Yes ! This is the music model of the future. You've totally got it. Here's our latest single released on our own label. We also have EP and Double Gatefold sizes. All proceeds to The Listening Centre, always our favourite flavour charity. - LD
  10. [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473885879' post='3133945'] I should probably have a word with Ped, his hit rate for the site must have increased exponentially and he's obviously going become a multi-millionaire from the advertising revenue that you and I are solely responsible for increasing. [/quote] I thought was exactly the ethic that seriously bugged you guys ? Someone else making several pennies when you don't, by using your time, skills and experience....... LD
  11. [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1473876027' post='3133806'] Thinking about marmalade for a moment ([i]gitchi gitchi ya ya da da[/i]) I must confess that I have been delinquent in the preserves department. Not once but on several occasions I have prepared and bottled batches of jam, jelly, compote, conserves pickles and / or chutney for the express purpose of donating said fruity confections to local charitable initiatives. The recipients of these benisons include educational establishments, churches and community venues. One might argue that I have in my time disintermediated sundry food industry workers from their employment; true dat. My Elderflower and Nettle Curd was identified by the Banbury Guardian as having been instrumental in the closure of Sibford Ferris food giant 'Aunt Googie's Total Frootiness' with the loss of over 700 irreplaceable jobs. Now - as then - I reply to my handwringing, pinko critics that free jam is the price one pays for an open society where an individual's dreams rank higher than sordid financial exchanges. That said, I will not 'do' marmalade; the associations with Franco's fascist Spain are still too raw in my mind. [/quote] Well, marmalade is underrepresented in popular music. There's Labelle, and some 60's/70's Scottish band that had a #1 hit with a cover of Ob-la-di...etc. So it's high time someone took it on for sure. We only use Seville oranges, but for those of a sensitive political nature, or by earnest request, we can readily learn 'covers' on using Florida, Costa Rico, Portugese or even Ugandan oranges. And yes, marmalade production is not only dog eats dog, it's dog steals other dog's orange production quota. You can't beat a good jam as a musician. LD
  12. [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473879481' post='3133861'].......if I don't turn up no one will be disappointed.[/quote] I agree. But don't you feel inclined to charge for the skill and experience that goes behind your valuable and expert posts ? That might just kill the thread...... LD
  13. [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1473876876' post='3133819'] In your own basement maybe? [/quote] And what we mostly learn from the thread is how little respect for seriously respectable alternate points of view there is here................ Go figure [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1473878752' post='3133848'] As long as it's not another official warning? Ha [/quote] Nor respect for the mods, apparently. FGS close the thread so I can get out of here ! LD
  14. Brilliant ! Now, will those who won't play bass for free, but choose to contribute their time and expertise to this thread, far more than takes it takes to play a gig, and who are happy to give away their skilled opinion on this thread for free, please step forward? Take a bow, and explain why your expert time and opinion is apparently worth 'nothing' in your terms ? Or do you get something out of it that is of personal value but unpaid, a bit like playing for free, perchance ? LD
  15. [quote name='Raymondo' timestamp='1473862471' post='3133654']Aren't you lot bored yet? [/quote] Well, it served to enlighten me of how things work and what to expect here on the forum, so I figure it will be the last thread I post on, might as well make it a good one and get some fun from what I've contributed for free. Poignant, eh ?! [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473866573' post='3133695']There you are again with your assertion that' we just don't get it.....(..)....Both of us have played in originals bands. [/quote] But you choose not to any more. Your choice, and we all do what we enjoy, but you're not in it, and that's just a fact. [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473866573' post='3133695']... you say you want people to listen to your music but only on your terms. [/quote] Strawman, TimR. I said nothing of the sort! [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1473866573' post='3133695']And yes there's another thread where someone is complaining no one is coming to their gigs, it takes more than maramalade.[/quote] No complaint and certainly no problem here. Another strawman........ LD
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